Thanks for the clarifications José!<br><br>In Ubuntu, squeak is in multiverse - the non-free arhive component so dfsg is not an issue for it.<br>I know etoys is not dependent on sugar, but for sugar they have an activity that wraps and calls etoys.<br>
It looks like that is the only thing that needs doing by the olpc team, the rest is pure squeak.<br><br>I am Cc-ing the Edubuntu developer who took care of Squeak in Ubuntu just to keep him posted even though he is busy too (Hi Jordan!)<br>
<br>Jani<br><br>PS: as I am not subscribed to debian-olpc-devel please keep me in the cc as well in future posts. Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM, José L. Redrejo RodrÃguez <<a href="mailto:jredrejo@edu.juntaextremadura.net">jredrejo@edu.juntaextremadura.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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El mié, 02-04-2008 a las 10:31 +0300, Jani Monoses escribió:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> And here's a second one. I was hoping we can have the same set of<br>
> packages for debian and ubuntu,<br>
> but apparently wrote too late, as you guys seem to have dona and<br>
> uploaded quite a few already :)<br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: Jani Monoses <<a href="mailto:jani.monoses@gmail.com">jani.monoses@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:46 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: sugar<br>
> To: Holger Levsen <<a href="mailto:holger@layer-acht.org">holger@layer-acht.org</a>><br>
> Cc: Jonas Smedegaard <<a href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hello guys,<br>
><br>
> squeak-vm has just landed in Ubuntu Hardy so I'll be looking into<br>
> packaging etoys.<br>
><br>
> What I am asking you is to try look at my existing packages for sugar<br>
> and activities and reuse them for Debian.<br>
> It will save us duplication of work and allow us to cooperate and<br>
> avoid spurious deltas in the future.<br>
><br>
> Here's a list albeit with some false positives of packages that have<br>
> sugar in their names:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=sugar" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=sugar</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> etoys is the squeak-vm package, already in Debian. "Modified<br>
> evince" means<br>
> evince with a sugar ui?<br>
><br>
> etoys is a separate image for the squeak VM from my limited knowledge<br>
> of all things squeak so far.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div>Hi, Jani<br>
I'm the maintainer of the squeak-vm package in Debian. I'll meet Jonas<br>
tomorrow and we can talk about these things, but, previously, maybe you<br>
should know some things:<br>
-squeak-vm in Debian is version 3.9-12, but in Ubuntu is 3.9-8<br>
- This version difference is very important, as 3.9-8 has a non-dfsg<br>
license, so it can not be in Debian (don't know about the Ubuntu<br>
policies, but that vm is a total non-free package)<br>
- Version 3.9-12 in Debian works with 64 bits, but 3.9-8 does not, the<br>
patch ubuntu maintainers have added is not enough, some plugins still<br>
fail.<br>
- Version 3.9-8 is not "olpc" ready<br>
- Debian package is much more desktop-friendly, thinking of<br>
non-technical users, Ubuntu package is more developper friendly (I know<br>
pretty well ubuntu package because it's based on the work I did for the<br>
gnulinex package 5 years ago. They have removed it now from the<br>
changelog, but if you look at squeak-vm changelog in gutsy you still can<br>
see the linex references and my name)<br>
<br>
About the etoys packaging:<br>
- My intention is packaging e-toys as a squeak-image, and doing the same<br>
with other squeak images that are around. So, etoys should provide<br>
squeak-image, squeak-image-3.10 should provide squeak-image ,<br>
squeakland-image should provide squeak-image, educarex-image should<br>
provide squeak-image, and so on.<br>
- No one of these images can go to Debian yet, as the relicencing<br>
process of the image has not finished, and thus, they are not DFSG<br>
compatible yet. I'm afraid that won't happen before 8 or 9 months.<br>
<br>
I like the olpc project, but at the moment my only relation with it is<br>
my squeak focus. For me, olpc etoys are just another squeak image, and I<br>
don't think they have any sugar relation as you don't need sugar to run<br>
it. I'll add to the squeak-vm package the dbus plugin needed to run on<br>
the olpc, but can also be used in a non-olpc machine, so I won't package<br>
any special thing for sugar. All the squeak stuff will be like any other<br>
Debian package.<br>
<br>
In the future I plan to be more involved helping in the debian olpc<br>
project, as soon as my current work load allows it, but not for the<br>
squeak part, as it's not a sugar thing and that will follow his own way.<br>
<br>
I hope my position is clear now.<br>
Best regards.<br>
<font color="#888888">José L.<br>
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