[Freedombox-discuss] Finding a good place to start

[Jonas Smedegaard]

On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 12:14:59AM +0200, paxcoder wrote:
>On 10/06/2010 09:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 08:17:46PM +0200, e.waelde wrote:
>>>I also think the fundamental problem is "how does one FreedomBox 
>>>find another one".
>>
>>Some might already disagree with me at above small step: OpenID is 
>>very much tied to the hierarchical DNS, which some might want to 
>>avoid.
>
>(cont.)However, some core decisions were made which I agree with (eg. 
>decentralization & dehierarchicalization) so naturally I promote 
>them. Unlike stone, hard drives are easily re-written - including the 
>wiki pages residing on them. But without respecting some basic design 
>decisions (supported also by the Moglen's speech), FB would be a 
>completely different project (one which I would probably not be a 
>part of). So I must insist that we agree on decentralization & such, 

If you mean to say that we have decided to not use DNS then I disagree.

I believe we have shown interest in *both* DNS-independency features and 
DNS-dependent ones.

As an example, Diaspora will need DNS to reach Facebook. :-P

I similarly want OpenID for me and my friends to take control of 
identity handling for some existing central services.

Eben made several talks. If you are referring to the one at Debconf10, I 
do not recall him suggest in that talk to abandon DNS, but to...

  * move from central services to privately controlled services
  * throw _existing_ tools together - i.e. do what Debian is good at
  * add central-to-private bridging tools like Diaspora when available

Asterisk, which Eben emphasized, also needs DNS.


I certainly am interested in relaxing dependency on all things central, 
including DNS.  But it takes time to get there - the p2p tools need to 
mature, and I want my friends with me in the new free net before I turn 
my back on the old central one.

Don't you?


  - Jonas

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