[Freedombox-discuss] Rouge Freedomboxes and government intervention

[Jonas Smedegaard]

On 11-06-28 at 04:58pm, bertagaz at ptitcanardnoir.org wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 03:21:49PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > On 11-06-28 at 02:55pm, bertagaz at ptitcanardnoir.org wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:39:43PM +0800, Sandy Harris wrote:
> > > > Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My point is that one point (out of several!) in the vision of 
> > > > > FreedomBox is that the world becomes a better place even if 
> > > > > not directly addressing then needs of activists ...
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to address the problem of central logging of the 
> > > > > activities of the masses _separately_ from the more complex 
> > > > > problem of activists needing secrecy, anonymity and other 
> > > > > powerful features.  Because the first is easier and quicker 
> > > > > solved than the second.  And because the first helps solve the 
> > > > > second!
> > > > 
> > > > Exactly.
> > > 
> > > Well, I guess it depends on what "central logging of the 
> > > activities of the masses" means. First, there is no real "central" 
> > > logging, no unique big brother that the freedombox might want to 
> > > defeat, but a lot of different (from size to content) logging 
> > > databases out there, maintained by a lot of different actors.
> > 
> > When logs are controlled by a single entity, for 1000 people posting 
> > microblogging entries and 1000 other people reading the posts and 
> > tagging some authors as interesting to "follow", I consider the 
> > logging "central".
> 
> Well, please read the rest of my previous email for an objection...
> 
> I fail to understand the thread model, I guess (even if I already did 
> for your definition of "central logging"). Your description doesn't 
> address the other "central" logging entities which are able to bring 
> as many informations, not to say more, about what you're talking 
> about. Not sure it's that easy to use this definition to separate 
> implementation that are not that unrelated, and even that evading 
> "central logging" is that easy to solve/implement.

My point is that there _is_ such thing called central logging, even if 
not at one single but several (or even hundreds thousands) entities.

You then try to extend central logging to also include harvesting.

I am not addressing all possible ways for evil-doers to do evil.  I am 
working towards a "silverlining of the cloud".

Or differently phrased: I am working towards a tool for humans with an 
own home to use that home of their own as platform for internet 
activities.

Some want to fight the power.  Some approach it differently.

I want FreedomBox to *only* be a tool to insist on using the private 
home as platform for internet activities.

I do *not* want FreedomBox to be a waepon or a shield in itself, but 
make it easy to extend with such as plugins.



I just wanna make FreedomBox.

Apparently you wanna make (anyonepotentiallybecomesa)FreedomfighterBox!


 - Jonas

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