[Freedombox-discuss] Debian FreedomBox = Existing Debian packages on plug hardware

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 1 March 2011 15:36, Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:44:09PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 01:53:33PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>>>>> The target for the Freedom Box is a plug device. These have
>>>>> 800Mhz/1.2Ghz ARM processors and 512MB of RAM and at least 512MB
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you're describing a low-end Android phone here.
>>>
>>> No, plug devices are not phones.
>>
>> My point you possibly failed to get was that openi-sh cheap (~100 EUR)
>> smartphones have equivalent to superior hardware specs to plug computers,
>
> Phones are not Plug devices, even if some specs are comparable.
>
>
>
>>>> The only problem I see is Android specifics, which won't play nice with
>>>> the Debian toolchain.
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, the topic of this mailinglist is the _Debian_
>>> FreedomBox project.  Not the Google FreedomBox project or whatever else.
>>
>> I'm not sure what your point is.
>
> This mailinglist was created in direct response to a talk made in July at a
> Debian conference, where Eben Moglen challenged the Debian community to put
> the already production-ready Debian distro onto the already production-ready
> Plug devices, "just" make the combination dead simple for non-geeks to
> consume.
>  Debian supports Plug devices, not Android phones.  Debian also support a
> gazillion devices other than Plug devices, and a gazillion other use cases,
> but I dare say this particular project was created with the relatively
> narrow scope of consumer-friendly design + Plug devices + Debian subset of
> freedom-enabling technologies.

What about Eben's original talk about NYU a year ago, 'Freedom in the
Cloud', where he coined the term 'Freedom Box'?

I believe he mentioned both Fedora and Debian..  IMHO he was promoting
the idea of free software in the freedom box, and selected Debian as a
leader rather than an absolute.

>
> Not phones. Not OpenWrt. Not virtual machines. Not freeing new hardware.
>  Not inventing, implementing or packaging new technologies.  All those tasks
> are very very VERY relevant for World Freedoms, but for this project they
> are relevant only as inspirational references.
>
>
>
>> I would suggest rather keep technical lists focused on their respective
>> topic, but build an inclusive umbrella platform with multiple ongoing
>> external projects having their sublists and wikis and code depositories,
>> with some crosscommunication do avoid duplication of effort and encourage
>> crossporting of existing and emerging packages.
>>
>> Is there any reason why Debian would officially oppose hosting such a
>> project?
>
> I suppose not.  But check for yourself at http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth -
> especially the link to "Guidelines for packaging projects on Alioth".
>
>
>  - Jonas
>
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