[Freedombox-discuss] Diaspora

Sun Oct 16 10:49:56 UTC 2011

>
> So your goal is to raise $1m and "reinvent" something similar to the
> WWW, but more social.  However do you realize that the WWW was

designed to be social from day 1?

If by "your goal" you mean "my personal goal," then yes.  I can't speak for
the whole community, but that is my own personal goal.  There's a lot of
interesting stuff we could build with that sum of money.

The goal is NOT to create something more social than the WWW because I know
sociability was the goal of the WWW.  The goal is to open up walled gardens
that attempt to fragment the open web.  The problem is that in many cases in
practice that sociability has become circumscribed to machine-to-machine --
NOT person-to-person -- interactions, which has been an unfortunate
development in the open web's evolution.

> Facebook interoperates with this cloud, does diaspora?  The impression I
> have to date is that
> diaspora 'pods' primarily link to other diaspora pods, rather than
> heterogeneous systems, is that correct?

Any existing social networking site or website could connect with Diaspora*
today.  Our first app Cubbi.es is an independent web app that resides in its
own native environment on the WWW and connects with Diaspora* as well.  No
need for developers to work on Diaspora*-specific apps, as they'd have to do
with, say for example, Facebook.

At Diaspora*, we believe in standing on the shoulders of giants, meaning
that we never reinvent the wheel.  We integrate existing standards and
technologies whenever possible.  It just makes sense to do so, as it cuts on
development time.

> I'm not the greatest

fan of Facebook, but people point fingers at them, but they have made
> an effort to interoperate.
>

It's well documented that, when developers have tried to get Facebook user
personal data out of Facebook, Facebook has often made it difficult to do
so, if not outright prevented them from doing so.  For Facebook,
interconnectivity is asymmetric.  They are OK with your bringing data from
anywhere on the web into Facebook, but they are not so keen on your taking
it out.  If you take too much out, they arbitrarily put a stop to it.  And
they have done so even in cases when Facebook users themselves have wanted
to take their own data out of Facebook.

> > Best,
> > Yosem
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Melvin Carvalho <
> melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 16 October 2011 02:28, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > My name is Yosem, and I'm a member of this list, though I generally
> >> > don't
> >> > say much.  I'm a PhD student at Stanford but also work running the
> >> > Diaspora*
> >> > Foundation.
> >> > If you'd like invites, please let me know, and I'll be happy to send
> you
> >> > one.  If you have any questions, please let me know too.  Happy to
> >> > answer
> >> > them.  We're very transparent, non-commercial, and community-run.  You
> >> > won't
> >> > get any BS from us.
> >> > Since a lot of people still have questions about Diaspora*, we took a
> >> > moment
> >> > to address some of the things we have been hearing lately.  We hope
> >> > you'll
> >> > take a
> >> >
> >> > look:
> http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/2011/10/15/diaspora-not-vaporware-not-a-nigerian-prince.html
> >> > Anyway, I'm at your disposal.  Ask away.
> >>
> >> Thanks for pointing this out, that was an interesting read.
> >>
> >> If I've understood your financial statement correctly, you're looking
> >> to raise another $100, to keep going for the next year?
> >>
> >> My question is, does diaspora have plans to interoperate with other
> >> (non diaspora) FOSS social system, on the Web?  If so, which ones?
> >>
> >> > Best,
> >> > Yosem
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Weaver <weaver at riseup.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:41:14 +0200
> >> >> Brandon Invergo <b.invergo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > No sooner did I write that defense of Diaspora than I read this
> >> >> > article:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> http://allthingsd.com/20111013/at-lunch-with-diaspora-the-non-profit-open-source-social-network-built-by-outsiders/
> >> >> > In which they float the idea of charging people for running a pod.
> At
> >> >> > the same time, a friend on Facebook who has been waiting for an
> >> >> > invite to joindiaspora.com was talking about how he felt that they
> >> >> > were soliciting invites in exchange for donations. I'm assuming he
> >> >> > just got the same email as everyone else asking for donations but
> >> >> > since they also sent it to the people waiting for invitations, it
> was
> >> >> > difficult not to make that assumption.
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> That's definitely happening.
> >> >> I'm still waiting for an 'invitation' and got the email asking for
> $25
> >> >> with the assurance that everybody donating wouldn't have to wait any
> >> >> longer.
> >> >> Young blokes beginning to see the uptake of a new project and eyeing
> >> >> Zuckerburg potentials is how I see it.
> >> >> If it carries on I might be declining the 'invitation' before I
> receive
> >> >> it.
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Weaver.
> >> >> --
> >> >> "In a world without walls and fences,
> >> >> what need have we for Windows or Gates?"
> >> >> -Anon.
> >> >>
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