[Freedombox-discuss] Diaspora

Sun Oct 16 12:04:57 UTC 2011

On 16 October 2011 12:49, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> So your goal is to raise $1m and "reinvent" something similar to the
>> WWW, but more social.  However do you realize that the WWW was
>>
>> designed to be social from day 1?
>
> If by "your goal" you mean "my personal goal," then yes.  I can't speak for
> the whole community, but that is my own personal goal.  There's a lot of
> interesting stuff we could build with that sum of money.
> The goal is NOT to create something more social than the WWW because I know
> sociability was the goal of the WWW.  The goal is to open up walled gardens
> that attempt to fragment the open web.  The problem is that in many cases in
> practice that sociability has become circumscribed to machine-to-machine --
> NOT person-to-person -- interactions, which has been an unfortunate
> development in the open web's evolution.
>
>>
>> Facebook interoperates with this cloud, does diaspora?  The impression I
>> have to date is that
>> diaspora 'pods' primarily link to other diaspora pods, rather than
>> heterogeneous systems, is that correct?
>
> Any existing social networking site or website could connect with Diaspora*
> today.  Our first app Cubbi.es is an independent web app that resides in its
> own native environment on the WWW and connects with Diaspora* as well.  No
> need for developers to work on Diaspora*-specific apps, as they'd have to do
> with, say for example, Facebook.
> At Diaspora*, we believe in standing on the shoulders of giants, meaning
> that we never reinvent the wheel.  We integrate existing standards and
> technologies whenever possible.  It just makes sense to do so, as it cuts on
> development time.
>
>>
>> I'm not the greatest
>>
>> fan of Facebook, but people point fingers at them, but they have made
>> an effort to interoperate.
>
> It's well documented that, when developers have tried to get Facebook user
> personal data out of Facebook, Facebook has often made it difficult to do
> so, if not outright prevented them from doing so.  For Facebook,
> interconnectivity is asymmetric.  They are OK with your bringing data from
> anywhere on the web into Facebook, but they are not so keen on your taking
> it out.  If you take too much out, they arbitrarily put a stop to it.  And
> they have done so even in cases when Facebook users themselves have wanted
> to take their own data out of Facebook.

Yosem, thanks for the response.  I'm not 100% sure you fielded my
queries, but I've taken the opportunity to review the 'Federation
Protocol' on your wiki.  I feel perhaps not as much is being done
terms of interop, at this time, as it could be.  If I get a chance
I'll post some feedback to your mailing list, tho I know you're
already members of the Federation Community Group, which is a good
start.

Wish you the best of luck with your goals, keep up the great work
spreading the message that the social web, needs to be secure,
decentral and free!

>
>>
>> > Best,
>> > Yosem
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Melvin Carvalho
>> > <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 16 October 2011 02:28, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >> > Hi All,
>> >> > My name is Yosem, and I'm a member of this list, though I generally
>> >> > don't
>> >> > say much.  I'm a PhD student at Stanford but also work running the
>> >> > Diaspora*
>> >> > Foundation.
>> >> > If you'd like invites, please let me know, and I'll be happy to send
>> >> > you
>> >> > one.  If you have any questions, please let me know too.  Happy to
>> >> > answer
>> >> > them.  We're very transparent, non-commercial, and community-run.
>> >> >  You
>> >> > won't
>> >> > get any BS from us.
>> >> > Since a lot of people still have questions about Diaspora*, we took a
>> >> > moment
>> >> > to address some of the things we have been hearing lately.  We hope
>> >> > you'll
>> >> > take a
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > look: http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/2011/10/15/diaspora-not-vaporware-not-a-nigerian-prince.html
>> >> > Anyway, I'm at your disposal.  Ask away.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for pointing this out, that was an interesting read.
>> >>
>> >> If I've understood your financial statement correctly, you're looking
>> >> to raise another $100, to keep going for the next year?
>> >>
>> >> My question is, does diaspora have plans to interoperate with other
>> >> (non diaspora) FOSS social system, on the Web?  If so, which ones?
>> >>
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Yosem
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Weaver <weaver at riseup.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:41:14 +0200
>> >> >> Brandon Invergo <b.invergo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > No sooner did I write that defense of Diaspora than I read this
>> >> >> > article:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://allthingsd.com/20111013/at-lunch-with-diaspora-the-non-profit-open-source-social-network-built-by-outsiders/
>> >> >> > In which they float the idea of charging people for running a pod.
>> >> >> > At
>> >> >> > the same time, a friend on Facebook who has been waiting for an
>> >> >> > invite to joindiaspora.com was talking about how he felt that they
>> >> >> > were soliciting invites in exchange for donations. I'm assuming he
>> >> >> > just got the same email as everyone else asking for donations but
>> >> >> > since they also sent it to the people waiting for invitations, it
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > difficult not to make that assumption.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's definitely happening.
>> >> >> I'm still waiting for an 'invitation' and got the email asking for
>> >> >> $25
>> >> >> with the assurance that everybody donating wouldn't have to wait any
>> >> >> longer.
>> >> >> Young blokes beginning to see the uptake of a new project and eyeing
>> >> >> Zuckerburg potentials is how I see it.
>> >> >> If it carries on I might be declining the 'invitation' before I
>> >> >> receive
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Weaver.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> "In a world without walls and fences,
>> >> >> what need have we for Windows or Gates?"
>> >> >> -Anon.
>> >> >>
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