[Freedombox-discuss] FreedomBox/Unhosted/PageKite for Access Innovation Prize 2012

Melvin Carvalho melvincarvalho at gmail.com
Sun Jul 1 21:23:03 UTC 2012 

On 1 July 2012 23:03, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> On 1 July 2012 19:44, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> Yes, having your own data on the FreedomBox via remoteStorage is exactly
>>> the core of the proposal.
>>> That, plus potentially integration with the FunkFeuer community wireless
>>> network in Vienna.
>>>
>>> Okay I have to say this..
>>> We haven't submitted the proposal yet.
>>> If for some reason this is not a good idea,
>>> if this looks like an attempt to "hijack" FreedomBox, or "capitalize" on
>>> it, or anything like that,
>>> if there already is some sort of relationship between FreedomBox and
>>> Access that makes this proposal pointless,
>>> then we don't have to submit it.
>>>
>>> It was just an idea we came up with.
>>> It would effectively show ONE thing the FreedomBox could do (out of many
>>> ideas<http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2012-May/003867.html>,
>>> including social networking).
>>> It would show how different projects (FreedomBox, Unhosted, PageKite,
>>> FunkFeuer) could complement each other.
>>>
>>> I think we should at least wait until the hackfest is over, maybe
>>> longer, before we submit it.
>>>
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>> Makes sense to wait for feedback from the hackfest.
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>> Storing my own data (on my own box) is something I find very
>> interesting.  But as far as I know I'm one of the only people that does
>> that.
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>> Im curious as to what solutions you might suggest for the data storage,
>> and what features are avaiable?  ( personally I use data.fm )
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> Hmm we would want to be compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage API,
> which does not include Linked Data.
> ownCloud might be an obvious option, but that's PHP.
> Bjarni wrote a simple implementation of remoteStorage in Python (here<https://github.com/pagekite/plugins-pyUnhosted>),
> which might fit in better with other Python-based FreedomBox components,
> but that's more limited than ownCloud.
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> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but data.fm is read/write Linked Data and
> not compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage, right?
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> In any case, the FreedomBox will need a flexible storage API for the
> various apps that would run on it.
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> Perhaps it could support ownCloud/remoteStorage on one hand, but also
> read/write Linked Data like data.fm, which would be like what WebBox is
> also all about, as I understand.
> Perhaps remoteStorage could be modified to also work with data.fm, I
> don't know that.
>

I believe all of remotestorage, owncloud and data.fm support WebDAV, so
that's perhaps a start.

Freedombox has the advantage everyone using the standard package can have a
pretty decent data store, rather than, having to cater for many different
providers.  These means the lowest common denominator can be that much
higher.


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>>> Markus
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>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>> melvincarvalho at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On 30 June 2012 14:07, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>> To be honest, I have never built a Debian package nor am I deeply
>>>>> familiar with the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> But all the pieces we're considering have Debian packages, i.e.
>>>>> PageKite, OLSRd, and for Unhosted there is OwnCloud, which has been
>>>>> considered a number of times on this list already.
>>>>>
>>>>> There really isn't much new about the proposal, just to help assemble
>>>>> a few things to the point where they can be demo'd at events and understood
>>>>> by end-users.
>>>>> It would help show the public that FreedomBox is real..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response.  A couple of questions about the proposal:
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>>>> Is the idea here to save your own data (ie remote storage) on your
>>>> freedom box?
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>>>> Would a minimal viable product, to demo FreedomBox, need to contain
>>>> some kind of social network?
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>>>>> Markus
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>>>>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>>> melvincarvalho at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> On 30 June 2012 13:03, Markus Sabadello <markus at projectdanube.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heya,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So back in May, when I did a FreedomBox-related demo<http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/05/freedombox-at-the-internet-identity-workshop/>at the Internet Identity Workshop, I was made aware of the Access movement,
>>>>>>> which hosted the recent RightsCon and is also doing a lot of other great
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are now calling for proposals for the Access Innovation Prize<https://www.accessnow.org/prize>where you can win $20k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Michiel of Unhosted, Bjarni of PageKite, and myself have decided
>>>>>>> to submit a proposal, which would include building a simple FreedomBox
>>>>>>> prototype that runs an Unhosted "remoteStorage" component and PageKite to
>>>>>>> make it accessible from the open web. Also, the idea is to try integrate
>>>>>>> FreedomBox with the local FunkFeuer community mesh network in Vienna. We
>>>>>>> haven't submitted the proposal yet (deadline is August 15th), but here's
>>>>>>> the current text we're working on:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/54796496/Access%20Innovation%20Prize%202012
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically, the idea is that you could use any Unhosted-enabled web
>>>>>>> application out there, and your data remains on your FreedomBox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that on the other thread there's a discussion about
>>>>>>> leadership and about joining in.
>>>>>>> I had all these questions too since I started working with
>>>>>>> FreedomBox, e.g. when I did demos, I wasn't sure to what extent I could
>>>>>>> speak "officially" about FreedomBox, how I could get involved, etc.
>>>>>>> In light of current criticism and allegations of vaporware, I think
>>>>>>> the answer is simply that everybody with ideas and resources should try to
>>>>>>> get something done in whatever way works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, so if we win the prize, then this could serve a few
>>>>>>> purposes..
>>>>>>> 1. The three of us would have some $$$ to actively work and
>>>>>>> contribute to the FreedomBox at least for a little while.
>>>>>>> 2. The stuff we would work on (putting Unhosted and PageKite on the
>>>>>>> box) seems to align well with the "DropBox Replacement" idea that has been
>>>>>>> floating around.
>>>>>>> 3. We would have an actual (limited functionality, but working)
>>>>>>> FreedomBox, and a minimal viable product that can be demo'd at conferences.
>>>>>>> 4. The prize would mean a PR boost for the involved projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think..?
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Will there be a debian package for this prototype?
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org
>>>>>>> Personal Data Ecosystem Consortium:
>>>>>>> http://personaldataecosystem.org/
>>>>>>>
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