<div>Hi Tony,</div><div><br>Sorry for not answering earlier, your email got snowed under.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Tony Godshall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:togo@of.net">togo@of.net</a>></span> wrote:<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><meta charset="utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Saw your post on linux-elitists. I am interested in your project and</span></blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><meta charset="utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">have signed up for the mailing list.</span></blockquote>
<div> </div><div>I don't know linux-elitists, but great to see you here!</div><div>Since you're here now, I'll reply on the list, I hope that's OK.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">A couple of questions and comments:</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
[...]</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">1: Social</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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> I studied the facebook api a bit more to see if we can scrape it. For now,<br>[...] </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> </blockquote><meta charset="utf-8"><meta charset="utf-8"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
Perhaps adapting the API such that "registering" is done with public key<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">encryption, such that an app could get some security against eavesdropping</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">and spoofing? Obviously a freedombox should not require some authority</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">to authorize the app, but that doesn't mean there cannot be a useful meaning</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">to the concept of registration.</span> </blockquote><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Do you mean adapting the facebook api? that would be the easiest way for sure, yes! :) i'm afraid we'll have to try to invent something that works with their exisitng api. Maybe I misunderstood what you mean there.</div>
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> 2: Backup<br>
> =======<br>
> I someone saw something about this, but iirc that was on the mailing list<br>
> and not at the hackfest.<br>
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Bup is very interesting. It is git, but adapted to binaries better and handle<br>
much bigger files. Not an expert yet, but it's looking good and fast. And<br>
it is very programmable. And it looks good as an infrastructure for apt and p2p<br>
distribution/replication as well.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>cool! i'll look into it, do you have a link?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
> 3: Network Neutrality<br>
> ===============<br>
> Again, interesting discussions about this more on the mailing list than at<br>
> the hackfest. Just remember we're right now trying to shortlist existing<br>
> debian packages.<br>
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What an odd comment. I'll watch for context- maybe it will become clear.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yeah, sorry, i was very tired when i wrote that email. :) what i meant to say was that we're discussing lots of new technologies, that are not in debian yet. while that is useful, we shouldn't lose focus on trying to build something that will run debian, within 6 months.</div>
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> 4: Anonymous publishing<br>
> ==================<br>
> I looked into the "main four" again (tor, i2p, freenet, gnunet) and came to<br>
> the same conclusion as last week, that Tor seems to be a lot more light<br>
> weight and also more mature than the other 3, and thus looks like the best<br>
> option. It is an existing debian package.<br>
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There are actually two very different animals in the above.<br>
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One is obfuscated *networking*, and the two candidates for that would<br>
be tor and i2p. The only persistency these programs offer is a record<br>
of which servers have been reliable.<br>
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Another is obfuscated *storage*, and the two candidates for that would<br>
be freenet and gnunet.<br>
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Treating them all in one pool and picking the best of four as if they<br>
perform the same function is a mistake.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>thank you, i didn't have that clear in my head. now i do, thanks. so do you think we should add one of {freenet, gnunet}?</div>
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> 5: Firewalling<br>
> ==========<br>
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> We again got stuck at the issue that this one is a bit vague. If you use NAT<br>
> on your router, it's already quite safe from attacks, and other virus<br>
> scanning and such can be done on the windows computer.<br>
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Heh. By the time the virus gets to a windows computer it is already infected.<br>
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But anyway, a mechanism for NAT makes sense, as does a mechanism to<br>
port-forward[1] and port-block[2]. No reason you should have to have<br>
a separate router- a linux box makes a great router with just 3-4<br>
lines of iptables commands.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yes, the freedombox should be capable of replacing your router. but it should also be capable of running in combination with an ISP-supplied router, because some ISP oblige you to use theirs.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Michiel</div></div></div>