<div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/14 Jonas Smedegaard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 06:13:29PM +0100, Mathieu Jourdan wrote:<br>
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This is my first message to this list,<br>
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Welcome, Mathieu!<br>
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Thanks for your personal intro!<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Thanks for your welcoming !<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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1 - social<br>
Can't we just package <a href="http://status.net" target="_blank">status.net</a> to replace <a href="http://identity.ca" target="_blank">identity.ca</a> ?<br>
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I disagree with the "just" in above sentence: We do ourselves a disservice (to put it mildly) if not acknowledging the popularity of existing resources.<br></blockquote><div>Of course, but I understood status net already took in consideration at least twitter <br>
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But apart from that: Sure! It is even in [progress] already - and I am sure those working on it would appreciate help if you happen to be into Debian packaging.<br>
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[progress]: <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/491723" target="_blank">http://bugs.debian.org/491723</a><div class="im"><br>
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To replace Facebook, do we really need something more than a blog and a basic permission system which restricts access to only certain groups of contacts ?<br>
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I agree that e.g. the open AtomPub protocol - which not only covers the public consumable channels as is so commonly used today, but authoring and management of blog entries, and (RESTful!) access protection of all or some of it. AtomPub should play very nice with my pet area of RDF and WebID ;-)<br>
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We "just" need it packaged, however.<div class="im"><br>
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I haven't read anything about sharing files, even big ones (music, videos...), but we already do have p2p packages !<br>
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That list of 5 points was made to have something more concrete to discuss, not as an attempt to be comprehensive, I believe.<br>
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I suggest to try look at - and update! - the wiki pages regarding specific tools covering (relatively) specific Freedom-enabling technologies.<div class="im"><br>
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2 - backup<br>
Backup should also be possible to a local external hdd, but it should be<br>
really simple.<br>
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Sure - but I believe this wasn't the aim of that point. I believe the aim was something like ways to network replicate personal data without revealing (too much) of its content to those serving such peer "backup".<br>
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It is quite relevant to be able to replicate data locally too. Maybe.<div class="im"><br>
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3 - network neutrality<br>
Very important point but I think it's lower level (kernel) than what<br>
FreedomBox is (some glue between the most relevant packages).<br>
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FreedomBox is a system consisting of both low-level and higher-level stuff. Without the low-level stufff it wouldn't exist. Ok that you don't care about those parts but would you mind others being devoted to tune, optimize and Freedom-enable those parts as well, now that they are there anyway? :-)<br>
<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div>I do care about those stuff, just I felt that they would empower freedomboxes when features would be enabled in the kernel. Maybe my commentary was irrelevant. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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4 - anonymous publication<br>
Tor provides anonymity, but where do you publish then ? On a centralized<br>
plat-form ?<br>
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Using that secure blogging tool you volunteered above to write ;-)<br></blockquote><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Using those e-mails you either send outside the FreedomBox or inside it if you insist on bogging down that cute little box with a spamfilter.<br><div class="im"></div></blockquote><div>I was aksing because freedombox tends to avoid centralization. In my
mind it could be published on someone else's box but this could put this
someone else in a difficult position, so he may want to check before approving such a publication. That's why an encrypted e-mail could do
the job, with a button on the recipient's interface to simply publish
it. Or maybe the message would be sent to several boxes and accessed without asking users for permission (asked one time for all data). Or maybe I have to go to sleep.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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6 - encrypted mail<br>
An imap server somewhere else !? Discourage the use of e-mail !? What if I<br>
need to send plain mails, for example to apply for a job ? I have to<br>
continue providing my logs to Google ? What do I'll have to do with the<br>
freedombox if I can't use it for non-pgp traffic, or if it doesn't protect<br>
my mails from companies and governements ?<br>
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You do it exactly the same way as you deal with reaching friends that are only on Facebook: By either continuing to do some tasks independent from FreedomBox, or give up on reaching that part of your old World.<br>
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You don't get that job if you apply with a PGP encrypted message, or if sending from a small domain treated gy their smtp server as "might be spammers, better throw it away just to be on the safe side".<br>
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Also, I was wondering how good do ARM processors support encryption (with<br>
mails and with filesystems), and streaming hd video files ?<br>
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If you are wondering how to tackle some details, I suggest asking e.g. the Emdebian folks - they are devoted to such things!<br>
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If you are questioning the relevancy of ARM-based devices due to lack of power for heavy duty tasks, I would instead flip it around and challenge the relevancy for the FreedomBox project of covering such duties.<br>
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I see it as a goal to cover most things sensible, with "most" being flexible to got things out sooner and "sensible" including sticking to the hardware devices which is a key choice of this particular project.<br>
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After all, working via the Debian platform makes most of our efforts not in vain even<br>
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After all, if it turns out that e.g. the silly color of SheevaPlugs makes them impossible for 7-eleven to sell: All our efforts have been via the Universal Operating System - Debian - so other parallel projects may much easier take off. Just as 8+ years of Skolelinux in Norway helped e.g. the differently aimed Skolelinux-RLP project become a success in its lifespan of only 3 years.<br>
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<br></blockquote></div>Thanks Jonas for your answers.<br>