On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Yannick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sevmek@free.fr">sevmek@free.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
The freedombox project is based on softwares in debian, which all do<br>
have built in standard protocols today in use ; except if you purposely<br>
disable them. e.g. by simply shipping a web browser, it will allow<br>
people using the "cloud", as you call it, for any purposes they want.<br>
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There should be no fear about compatibility here. The issue you're<br>
raising up here is quite different: as in some case the internet core<br>
principle "end to end communication" is broken, you are talking about<br>
some servers in the middle to provide communication services. Which I<br>
will name as: moving bits as a business model.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is all correct. The Internet's end-to-end principle IS broken, and if we want Freedom Boxes to be able to communicate, we have to work around that limitation. I propose that businesses may have a role to play by helping push bits at various layers of the stack.<br>
<br>Unfortunately, after this you completely lost me and I did not understand your point, until...<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
We do have the design for end to end communication and it is a standard.<br>
IPv6 provide enough addresses to connect every piece of rock on earth.<br></blockquote><div>... <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Thus all the issues you raised here are taking care by the internet evolution,<br>
and only bad business model like moving bits prevent it.<br></blockquote><div><br>I must admit I did not understand your point here. You seem to argue that because *some* ISPs are trying to hurt network neutrality, that the bit pushing business models are somehow *all* evil?<br>
<br>What about the IPv6 providers? They are pushing bits. IPv6 tunneling providers was one of the businesses I proposed might be helpful to the FreedomBox, in order to speed up the evolution you mention above.<br><br>I honestly can't tell whether you agree or disagree with that idea. :-)<br>
<br><br>(Not that giving every single FreedomBox an IPv6 will actually solve anything in the near term - they will remain unreachable and invisible for the vast majority of the Internet. More is needed.)<br><br></div></div>
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