<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Bob Mottram wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:38:07 +1000, John Walsh wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Still, I think the FreedomBox would have to work behind and in front of a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">router (both use cases). My parents have a modem+router+wi-fi combo box<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">because they have the piece of *consumer* mind that everything will work<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">together. The most basic device in the shops here is an modem+router combo -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">you cannot buy a modem on its own anymore here. You are effectively forced<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to put your FreedomBox behind a router here :(<br></blockquote><br><br>For an initial release trying to replace routers may not be the best option. In my experience routers are often supplied pre-configured by the ISP, and replacing that with a freedombox could result in many problems, because there are a wide diversity of routers and ISP configurations. If anything goes wrong the ISP is unlikely to be able (or willing) to tell you how to configure the freedombox. Using a freedombox as a router replacement is likely to be an option which only the more technically confident users will attempt.<br><br>The easiest installation for most users is going to be something behind an existing router, then opening the relevant ports.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>i agree, but keep in mind, using freedombox behind a router, you get what your ISP offers ! , nothing else, no ipv6 , no multicast and ports</div><div>that might be blocked in some countrys.</div><div><br></div><div>If you run freedombox as a replacement for your router you might have no internet.</div><div><br></div><div>To run a complette independent overlay , mesh/FabFi/B.a.t.m.a.n./freifunk/wirelessafrika/one_lab_top_pe_rchild/ whatever internet </div><div>you need to reach a critical mass of devices around you, otherwise its useless.</div><div><br></div><div>So a box that connected via the most common methods with an "sharing network" function ?</div><div><br></div><div>a nice monday</div><div><br></div><div>Marc</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> P.S. host lists.alioth.debian.org[217.196.43.134] said: 550-Blacklisted URL in<br> message. (opencu .t k) in [black]. See 550 ????</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">-- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment<br>Marc Manthey- Vogelsangerstrasse 97<br>50823 Köln - Germany<br>Tel.:0049-221-29891489<br>Mobil:0049-1577-3329231<br>blog: <a href="http://let.de/">http://let.de</a><br>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/">http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/</a><br></div></span></div></div></div></body></html>