<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:09 PM, ya knygar wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">What about timezones ?<br></blockquote><br>persistence, the best of concurrent editing shows up<br>when there are people online on one theme, just amazing,<br>and when people offline - it could look like a wiki<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>i absolutly agree with you "live" is allways much better,</div><div>because questions appear in between a discussion or</div><div>driving in another direction, so its more inspirational and creativ.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><blockquote type="cite">Whats the difference between etherpad and IRC ?<br></blockquote><br>the point is in time economy - when the structuring of wiki<br>like result<br>is real-time driven by people that could chat nearby,<br>in such environment - ideas are discussed and produced<br>more rapidly, with less chance of repeating what is already<br>said but in another wiki or another topic..<br><br>please, see example without a chat -<br><a href="http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/testday-20110715">http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/testday-20110715</a><br>example with a chat http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/qa-auto-mozmill-crowd<br>example with a big chat - and big list - http://primarypad.com/OeMj2ZnZqo<br>(sorry for adv, can't find bigger)<br>there are https://github.com/toolness/all-my-etherpads#readme<br>automate html converter<br>that could make it like http://htmlpad.org/qa-auto-mozmill-crowd/<br>there are no html mark-up, but if you'll see the source of that page -<br>it creates a simple mark-spaced<br>mock-up that could be nicely automated into wiki, i think.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>ohh ok, i understand now , good thing !! it remind me on subethaedit for mac </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/">http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/</a></div><div><br></div><div>its made for collaborative programming</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><blockquote type="cite">All RFCs for at the IETF are developed thru mailing list and some people, like me ,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that are not native english speakers and cant follow a very technical live discussion so easily,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">therefore i would prefer Asynchronous communication. :)<br></blockquote><br>strong point, but Etherpad encourages the result in Wiki alike style<br>but easily changeable, and far more user-friendly;<br>shortened-style tech talks have their place in chat,<br>like in -<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>yes, i understand what you mean now ,</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>excuse me - broken link..<br>like in - chats that German police have<br>taken - <a href="http://etherpad.org/2011/05/20/german-police-raid-etherpad-deployment/">http://etherpad.org/2011/05/20/german-police-raid-etherpad-deployment/</a><br>..</div></blockquote><br></div><div>thats very interesting because i remember what happend that day :))</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://kcode.de/images/misc/pp-down_overview.svg">http://kcode.de/images/misc/pp-down_overview.svg</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>greetings</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Marc</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br>On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Marc Manthey <<a href="mailto:marc@let.de">marc@let.de</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:05 AM, ya knygar wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mailing lists aren't a solution for a wide discussion,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">even with Google Groups client - it isn't.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nor forums or wiki's.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">i prefer etherpad as it is open for every-one Now<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and proven by time,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So - i recommend to transfer a discussion from list/IRC/Wiki to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">something like Etherpad (Wave?)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Synchronous communication is nice to have BUT its not that easy and has<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">limitations :)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What about timezones ? people have familys , work and commitments, so<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">possibly just an time frame<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">from about an hour per day, but this could be at 4 am your time.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All RFCs for at the IETF are developed thru mailing list and some people,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">like me ,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that are not native english speakers and cant follow a very technical live<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">discussion so easily,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">therefore i would prefer Asynchronous communication. :)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?itemnumber=13572">http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?itemnumber=13572</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">for real-time wide and productive discussion with a nice persistence,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and - use a dynamic system like Etherpad - for discussion, after<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">awhile it turns like a cute system that does the job.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Whats the difference between etherpad and IRC ?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have you seen this ?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/UserRequirements/BrainStorm">http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/UserRequirements/BrainStorm</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or this:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox#Software_.26_protocols">http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox#Software_.26_protocols</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All discussions are stored here<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Just pull it from there into a wiki :)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cu<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Marc<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">P.S. But we could try hangout aswell :)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://talkgadget.google.com/talkgadget/hangout/">https://talkgadget.google.com/talkgadget/hangout/</a></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">-- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment<br>Marc Manthey- Vogelsangerstrasse 97<br>50823 Köln - Germany<br>Tel.:0049-221-29891489<br>Mobil:0049-1577-3329231<br>blog: <a href="http://let.de/">http://let.de</a></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://let.de/"></a>project : <a href="http://opencu.org">http://opencu.org</a><br>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/">http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/</a><br><br></div></div> </div><br></body></html>