<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Michiel de Jong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michiel@unhosted.org" target="_blank">michiel@unhosted.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>> On 06/24/2012 11:07 PM, Sandy Harris wrote:<br>
</div>>> [Hostile] regimes [would] stomp rather firmly on<br>
<div>>> anyone they caught with a Box?<br>
<br>
</div>that's actually a valid point i think.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes this is also what someone from the W3C told me a few days ago. He</div><div>said that the FreedomBox was overall a really bad idea and that hardcore</div>
<div>activists would never use it, precisely for this reason. Not sure if I share</div><div>this opinion though :)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
if the government is searching your house because they suspect you're<br>
a dissident, or because they traced from your ISP to your house, then<br>
you're at their hands already anyway, and there's not much that can be<br>
done about that i think. but what we can try to be aware of is to make<br>
sure a box does not by its mere physical presence fire off any alerts.<br>
so people who ship plugservers with freedombox pre-installed should<br>
try to make them look like normal routers. you could even provide the<br>
stickers separately, one proud freedombox sticker, and then a set of<br>
fake undercover stickers that say 'linksys' or 'vodafone'. :)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah. Also I think taking your box and running away with it is easier than</div><div>taking your laptop and running away with it. Or you can destroy it and </div>
<div>recover your data from the backup that you have distributed among</div>
<div>your friends' boxes. But well what do I know, I've never been in such a</div><div>situation.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Stephen Michael Kellat<br>
<<a href="mailto:skellat@fastmail.net" target="_blank">skellat@fastmail.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> In a [hostile] regime, this is not a plug and pray platform<br>
> that requires no training.<br>
<br>
that's probably the appropriate conclusion. and i think we should not<br>
underestimate the importance of freedombox in the US and also in<br>
Europe. This is something we need. On all levels, and for the general<br>
public. So i think it should be a tool aimed both at relatively-free<br>
and not-so-free countries, at the same time, keeping in mind the<br>
differences between the use cases, and providing documentation with it<br>
to educate users.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes definitely.. The FreedomBox was born out of Eben Moglen's vision to liberate</div><div>us from the centralized Facebooks, Googles, etc. It is about having data under</div>
<div>our control, and about decentralized communication. My understanding is that the</div><div>use case of political activism is of course important, but just a subset of the</div><div>FreedomBox idea.</div><div><br></div>
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Cheers,<br>
Michiel<br>
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