<div>I wanted to call out this one bit</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The activists are the ones sending data with a tor fingerprint. The<br></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Everybodies are the ones doing what they were already doing--<br>
</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">going to Facebook and Twitter.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">There's no way out of this problem without educating people about<br></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">privacy. </span></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>If these boxes are public 'charge-points' and mesh wifi antennas found in every internet cafe, and every cafe and bar that wants to offer wifi; and in the apartments that surround said cafe's; perhaps even plugged into a car's power plug - they can just be the infrastructure of the internet rather than some special - super secret revolutionary's tool. The fact that it could foment and foster a revolution because its tools just happen to enable spying free communication... well that's just an awesome side-effect. No reason these shouldn't be Tor routers in addition to mesh network routers. Social networks with a small bit of local storage in addition to AP. </div>
<div><br></div><div>People care - they just need an option that doesn't take away functionality they already get with Facebook and twitter - something that augments and works with them - that's much better. </div>
<br clear="all">Brian Drake<br>Austin Texas<br>512.850-6326<br><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/brndrakeecoit" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/brndrakeecoit</a><div>Schedule a Meeting: <a href="http://tungle.me/briandrake" target="_blank">http://tungle.me/briandrake</a></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: Elena ``of Valhalla'' <<a href="mailto:elena.valhalla@gmail.com">elena.valhalla@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org">freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
> Cc:<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:45 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Raining on the parade<br>
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</div><div><div class="h5">> On 2012-06-25 at 21:10:12 +0200, Markus Sabadello wrote:<br>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Michiel de Jong<br>
> <<a href="mailto:michiel@unhosted.org">michiel@unhosted.org</a>>wrote:<br>
>> > > On 06/24/2012 11:07 PM, Sandy Harris wrote:<br>
>> > >> [Hostile] regimes [would] stomp rather firmly on<br>
>> > >> anyone they caught with a Box?<br>
>> > that's actually a valid point i think.<br>
>> Yes this is also what someone from the W3C told me a few days ago. He<br>
>> said that the FreedomBox was overall a really bad idea and that hardcore<br>
>> activists would never use it, precisely for this reason. Not sure if I<br>
> share<br>
>> this opinion though :)<br>
><br>
> one way to solve this problem is by making the freedombox useful<br>
> also for non-activists<br>
><br>
>> Yes definitely.. The FreedomBox was born out of Eben Moglen's vision to<br>
>> liberate<br>
>> us from the centralized Facebooks, Googles, etc. It is about having data<br>
>> under<br>
>> our control, and about decentralized communication. My understanding is<br>
>> that the<br>
>> use case of political activism is of course important, but just a subset of<br>
>> the<br>
>> FreedomBox idea.<br>
><br>
> this. If everybody who has an use for a computer also has an use for<br>
> a freedombox (e.g. to share his pictures with friends, or any<br>
> other harmlessi activity) it is something useful in itself.<br>
> If these tasks are done using strong cryptography (to stop<br>
> the hackers) then an activist can use it knowing that it won't <br>
> attract any more attention from the auctorities than using facebook<br>
> or twitter does right now (except it will be safer for him).<br>
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</div></div>The activists are the ones sending data with a tor fingerprint. The<br>
Everybodies are the ones doing what they were already doing--<br>
going to Facebook and Twitter.<br>
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There's no way out of this problem without educating people about<br>
privacy. For the average user, nearly everything they do on the web<br>
is supported by the hypothesis that the data they provide about<br>
themselves is worth more than the services provided to them. The<br>
users know this and react by misjudging the value of their data--<br>
almost a direct quote from a Facebook member, "they know I click<br>
'like' on pictures of animals with captions on them." And I don't think<br>
any of us can convince such users that doing so is dangerous without<br>
knowing more about what Facebook and Google do with their data<br>
(which is hidden), or making every user do a research project on<br>
privacy so that they have the skills to understand that Moglen's<br>
speeches aren't hyperbole.<br>
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-Jonathan<br>
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> --<br>
> Elena ``of Valhalla''<br>
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