<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 January 2013 14:22, Jonas Smedegaard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dr@jones.dk" target="_blank">dr@jones.dk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Quoting Melvin Carvalho (2013-01-05 02:43:28)<br>
<div class="im">> On 29 December 2012 18:30, Petar Petrović <[1]<a href="mailto:petar@petrovic.io">petar@petrovic.io</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I think that we don't HAVE to integrate everything, at least not<br>
>> during the initial development. I think we should focus on building a<br>
>> software stack, and then at some point, we can decide if deep<br>
>> integration is worth the effort. Of course, I am always open for<br>
>> different opinions and ideas.<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, let's build FreedomBox 1.0 before we build FreedomBox 2.0.<br>
<br>
In my mind, FreedomBox 1.0 is *boring* - it contains no new inventions,<br>
only oldfashioned Debian mechanisms served user-friendly boxed. That in<br>
itself is a *big* milestone for FreedomBox.<br>
<br>
FreedomBox 2.0 is *interesting* - it contains improved ways of doing<br>
stuff classic among geeks, and still does it user-friendly boxed.<br>
<br>
FreedomBox 3.0 is *exciting* - it contains new inventions that have<br>
happened in parallel to our "boring" work, inspired by similar events<br>
that triggered the FreedomBox project but without that tough contraint<br>
of being user-friendly. Of course when those inventions reach<br>
FreedomBox they _are_ provided user-friendly boxed - because that is a<br>
fundamental requirement of FreedomBox.<br>
<br>
We (as in the developers on FreedomBox) HAVE to integrate everything<br>
needed for serving privacy-aware functionality in a user-friendly way.<br>
If we don't, we don't have a FreedomBox, but some other Debian-related<br>
tool or toy.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> Yes, I think this is a valid approach. The web was designed to tie<br>
> many systems together via the hyperlink.<br>
<br>
</div>True that the web is about tying many systems together.<br>
<br>
FreedomBox, however, is about protecting privacy, and here it does<br>
matter crucially to have enough functionality locally so as to not leak<br>
privacy when doing said hyperlinking.<br>
<br>
FreedomBox is also about serving non-geeks, and here it is crucial that<br>
all interaction is user-friendly. *ALL* interaction! There is *no*<br>
admin, beyond the user herself/himself!<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> Of course it would be nice if the integrations could provide a<br>
> seamless user experience, but perhaps that can only happen over<br>
> time...<br>
<br>
</div>If you mean postponing user-friendliness till later, then it sounds to<br>
me like you are talking about something (quite exciting and worthwhile<br>
to try reach but) different from Freedombox.<br></blockquote><div><br>+1 to everything<br><br>Just saying the good user interfaces take time to build ...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Regards,<br>
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- Jonas<br>
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