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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 October 2013 18:26, Bill Cox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:waywardgeek@gmail.com" target="_blank">waywardgeek@gmail.com</a>></span>
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love feedback on an idea for promoting more internet
freedom.<br>
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Here's the problem: Tor has little public support, because
most Tor<br>
traffic is wasted on supporting bad behavior. When I ran
a Tor node, it<br>
became clear that most of my bandwidth was being wasted on
video<br>
downloads. People want to promote free speech, not child
pornography.<br>
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Here's my solution: Build a Tor-like network for routing
anonymous data,<br>
but track behavior of all users' secret identities, and
make their<br>
Internet history public. Allow node operators to choose
categories of<br>
public identities they which to support.<br>
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For example, I would choose to promote all forms of
non-violent free<br>
speech. I should be able to contribute my bandwidth to
this purpose.<br>
If a dissident in China goes by the public ID of ChinaCat,
and has a<br>
high reputation for promoting freedom, they are welcome to
use my<br>
bandwidth. If someone just wants access to <a href="http://redtube.com" target="_blank">redtube.com</a>, they can get<br>
that access from someone else.<br>
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There are various technical aspects to this idea. For
example, would<br>
prefer that the social graph between secret identities be
public so I<br>
can use a simple network flow algorithm over trust edges
between<br>
identities to determine how much I trust someone. The
entire social<br>
network should be P2P, like Tor, and it should route a lot
of dummy<br>
traffic to help hide the real traffic. With the
considerably lower<br>
bandwidth that is needed to promote freedom rather than
free porn, this<br>
should be no problem.<br>
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What do you guys think?<br>
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<div>I like it a lot. But who is going to volunteer to do
this work, when people are already busy (not least in
coding up things like freedombox)<br>
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I am willing to write it myself. P2P algorithms is something I
enjoy coding, and this is one of those applications that may be able
to do some real good for the world.<div class="im"><br>
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<div>I think you would need an economy to incentivize people
to do the categorization etc.<br>
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<div>Maybe in return for someone helping you route your
traffic, you could keep an encrypted backup of their data
or contribute a code patch to their project etc.<br>
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We're thinking along the same lines. I would like to add a Ripple
based economy to the public social network, based on trust
relationships between peers as in the original Ripple algorithm.
With secret identities in the social network, it is less important
to keep transactions and the trust network secret, which was a
problem in the original Ripple algorithm. I imagine transactions
being done in tiny fractions of a cent, for services like helping
download files faster in a torrent or providing encrypted storage.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I believe the retroshare project (noted on this list many times) is in the process of implementing a P2P ripple (a la Ryan Fugger's original protocol) system, or have done so already. Dr Bob told me you can plug in other protocols such as GNUNet quite easily. I'm unsure how this would gel with Tor tho.<br>
<br></div><div>I'm also looking at translating all of the crypto currency work to a web based system. Would be very happy to hear if you make any progress on this. Or perhaps we can discuss off list if some stuff is off topic.<br>
<br></div><div>My current line of thinking is hacking the economy so that fbx users get their own coins that they can spend with each other, and to give, say, 10% of all new coins to the FSF to help lower hardware costs of plug computers ...<br>
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