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<p>Aaah, for a while, it looked like you are talking to yourself ;)
- the reply from <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:keastes@gmail.com">keastes@gmail.com</a> didn't go to the list (nor did
my previous reply to your mail..).<br>
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<p>I agree that considering the mission statement of the Freedombox:<br>
<i>"it provides online communication tools <b>respecting your
privacy</b><b> and data ownership</b>. You can use FreedomBox
at home to <b>replace services provided by third-parties mining
your life and using your content.</b>"</i></p>
<p>usage of the "services" (honeypots) of any big known offenders in
this area should be considered a bug or at least
very-nice-not-to-haves.<br>
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<p>prism-break.org has following to say about Google DNS:</p>
<p>"<i>Google Public DNS permanently logs your ISP and location
information for analysis. Your ip-address is also stored for 24
hours.</i>"<br>
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and offers following alternatives:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://prism-break.org/en/projects/nsupdateinfo/">nsupdate.info</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://prism-break.org/en/projects/opennic/">OpenNIC</a><br>
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D.<br>
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PS: Is prism-break.org considered reputable source in these circles?<br>
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<div>I already changed mine, that was pretty easy, even for me. :)<br>
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I've raised it as a possible issue at GitHub and when I find my
glasses (!) and the time to delve into that little bit of code,
I'll do one of those pull request thing-a-ma-bobs. :)<br>
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I completely take your point about being beholden to Google (or
not) though.<br>
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While trying to find my spectacles I found out why the parrot
was so thin - seems I've been feeding a family of mice who had
moved in under my couch. They must have stashed a nearly 1/2
kilo of sunflower hearts in there. <br>
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If anyone wants a slightly-used cat...<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Google DNS in BIND?<br>
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<div>> why not just set up BIND with root hints?
that way the only time it will query google, is <br>
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infrastructure.<br>
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<div>That's an interesting point but tn the spirit
of FreedomBox, which is to get us all as far away
from Google, etc. as possible, I would prefer
using a system which exists for the public's good
and just giving Google the bird. This one for
example:<br>
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<div>I guess I'm something of an extremist where
Google is concerned after watching it devolve from a
pretty cool search engine into a money making
steamroller that will stop at nothing (including not
playing by the rules) to achieve its goals.<br>
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<div>I see no reason why anything in FreedomBox
should rely on anything Google does, serves or is
otherwise connected to. If users choose to run on
non-free hardware (I am myself right now as a
matter of necessity, not choice) that's one thing,
but if purity counts, we need to throw Big Data
[collection] under the bus everywhere we see it.<br>
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<div>communicating with !=relying on, for instance there
are a number of services that rely on google cloud
compute, simply because they are the cheapest/only
option for their use caseor, it would cost them too much
to move. It doesn't make them bad, simply vulnerable to
google.<br>
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<div>It's a matter of principal for me and I'm sure
we won't all agree so I hope that doesn't come
over as being contrarian for the sake of it.<br>
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<div>Certainly as things are seeing Google's DNS pop
up hard coded into the basic installation was a
bit of a disappointment.<br>
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<div>google DNS is one of those ones that tends to "just
work" there are other DNS providers that work (level3
comes to mind right off the bat.) <br>
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<div>I guess I could raise an Issue over at Github but
I'm barely working out how modern C compilers work,
never mind source control! :)<br>
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<div> sounds more like a config thing, if you know the
service using it, go poke in /etc/ for its setting file,
change to DNS of your choice, and restart the service.
no its not the most beginner friendly thing, but
understanding how the system works is almost never a bad
thing.<br>
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