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The current ml works.What's wrong with persisting with John till we get a response and hand him a petition or a group request to add some more admins?</div>
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<div><b>From: </b>James Mills</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 9 August 2017 18:11</div>
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gopher] Gopher Community Infrastructure...</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Thank you Chris! :D
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<div>I have a bit of a nit though -- Isn't Democracy and Consensus fundamentally equivalent with the same end goals requiring some form of voting? :)</div>
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<div>IHMO the ML is fine. I see no reason why we can't have multiple admins.</div>
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<div>If the rest of the issues are about communication then lets address that? Is is it more about discoverability?</div>
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<div>cheers</div>
<div>James </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Christoph Lohmann <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:20h@r-36.net" target="_blank">20h@r-36.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Greetings.<br>
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Thank you for keeping up the good points.<br>
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The TL;DR for the others, of Bradley's posting is:<br>
* Democracy leaves people with a different opinion out, so we need consensus<br>
by talking about the issues.<br>
* The moderation bit on the mailinglist is the problem.<br>
* We should simply ask alioth to remove the bit and set more than one person<br>
as an admin, so we have a »crew« of people who could respond to problems.<br>
* Moving to another provider provokes too many questions.<br>
* Consistency is a key, so breaking up to somewhere else breaks legacy and<br>
archives. (More work.)<br>
* A suggestion to have a domain for a project under which the mailinglist or<br>
the gopher efforts can be seen. (See my comments below.)<br>
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 09:47:30 +0200 "Bradley D. Thornton" <Bradley@NorthTech.US> wrote:<br>
> I would volunteer a domain registration in perpetuity, in the name of<br>
> some 'Gopher' named entity (The Gopher collective, International Gopher<br>
> Rescue, Mighty Gopher birds). We would have to come up with a brand<br>
> registration - something with a short string, that is relevant, and<br>
> unambiguous sounding when spoken. Something with the word GOPHER in it -<br>
> and the list would live there.<br>
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</span>For fun I have already registered gopher‐<a href="http://consortium.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">consortium.org</a> and
<a href="http://gophc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gophc.org</a>,<br>
to make fun of some other consortium. <a href="http://gopherproject.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
gopherproject.org</a> is already here<br>
for this.<br>
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> Then we would need a server. Cameron said it was not beyond the realm of<br>
> possibility for him, but that he wasn't looking forward to something<br>
> like that, and no reason he should. Christoph tossed his hat right into<br>
> the ring, and we obviously need and should have more than one admin,<br>
> while Kim leaves bases loaded with Ray up to bat - yes that is quite a<br>
> capable custodial crew.<br>
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</span>As said above, I think there is enough infrastructure. What is needed is<br>
a more uniform way to guide people to the mailinglist. On my gopherholes<br>
I redirect everyone to <a href="http://gopherproject.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
gopherproject.org</a>, which is a really good name.<br>
At <a href="http://gopherproject.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gopherproject.org</a> new users should find: Information of what gopher<br>
is about (already there), how to get onto gopher (already there), fur‐<br>
ther gopher project links (already there, but some could be added) and a<br>
link to the mailinglist (missing) and IRC channel (missing) to contrib‐<br>
ute.<br>
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To get the above right we simply have to friendly ask Cameron and it is<br>
solved in less than 10 minutes.<br>
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For the mailinglist I will simply ask the alioth people to look at the<br>
discussion here and add the list you mentioned as the admins. This will<br>
solve the original problem of why I started the discussion.<br>
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Then I guess all problems are solved and we should go on creating good<br>
content on gopherspace. \o/<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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Christoph Lohmann<br>
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