<div dir="ltr">Thanks Mateusz! I'm somewhat convinced :D</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">E: <a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W: </span><a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Mateusz Viste <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mateusz@nospam.viste.fr" target="_blank">mateusz@nospam.viste.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:21:01 -0700, James Mills wrote:<br>
> I concur. I've never used NNTP and I vaguely remember ions ago it was a<br>
> bit awkward to use :/<br>
<br>
</span>It's surely *much* simpler than the messy pop3/imap/smtp stuff. NNTP is a<br>
single protocol specialized for exchange of messages using a very simple<br>
set of commands (thus very easy to implement). Mail, on the other hand,<br>
became a glorified mess in the last 30 years.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Can someone explain why NNTP is better than a mailing list?<br>
<br>
</span>First I have to say that "better" is probably not the correct term.<br>
"different", yes. For a small project that will run over the course of a<br>
few months with a bunch of people - I'd say go with a mailing list. If<br>
we're talking about a subject that spans over a few years (decades even),<br>
with an uncontrolled amount of subscribers, then Usenet is the way to go.<br>
<br>
This should provide you with an (incomplete, but still) introduction:<br>
<a href="http://www.savetz.com/yic/YIC05FI_25.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.savetz.com/yic/<wbr>YIC05FI_25.html</a><br>
<br>
Myself, I value also the fact that Usenet is a truly public place. When a<br>
new subscriber gets the list, he can get the history of past messages<br>
right away. A mailing list doesn't allow such thing (not other than<br>
looking into some web-based archive stuff, if the mailing list provides<br>
such additional tool).<br>
<br>
Resiliency: Usenet is a network of meshed NNTP servers. Should a few<br>
servers go down, no big deal, nothing is lost. Should the mailing list<br>
server go down, you're fucked. This gets me to another point:<br>
<br>
Persistent across time. One day or another, the mailing list server will<br>
cease business. What then? "Migrating" the users to another mailing list<br>
provider. In the meantime, all past messages are lost from the internet.<br>
With Usenet, this doesn't happen.<br>
<br>
The killfile is also a feature that I enjoy much, and pretty much every<br>
news reader implement it. Sure, you could probably emulate it with<br>
cryptic rules in some mail programs, but it's a mess.<br>
<br>
Separating mail from public forum. Not everyone cares about this, but I<br>
do. I like to receive on my mail things that I am supposed to answer.<br>
Messages coming from a public forum are distracting me in times when I<br>
have more important things to attend to.<br>
<br>
Spammy additions - some mailing lists like to add some ads to the<br>
messages that are posted by users. I really hate that. If I post<br>
something, I want it to be delivered exactly as I typed it, without<br>
additional crap.<br>
<br>
Finally, I choose what I want to read (and fetch). If I'm not interested<br>
in a thread, I mark it as ignored, and its messages won't even be<br>
downloaded to my PC (headers only) - while with a mailing list I am<br>
forced into getting all the stuff.<br>
<br>
Mateusz<br>
<span class=""><br>
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> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Mr. Leveck<br>
> <<a href="mailto:leveck@leveck.us">leveck@leveck.us</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Was the decision made to move to NNTP?<br>
>><br>
>> What are some good, free news-servers? What are some decent clients<br>
>> (console & X11)?<br>
>><br>
>> This is one aspect of the web I have not restarted use of yet. I'm<br>
>> thinking about 17 years ago on a Palm device was my last active use of<br>
>> NNTP... yeah, I suppose I could duckduckgo this, but I am looking for<br>
>> tried and liked options. TYIA<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Leveck<br>
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</span>> <div dir="ltr">I concur. I've never used NNTP and I vaguely remember<br>
> ions ago it was a bit awkward to use :/<div><br></div><div>Can someone<br>
> explain why NNTP is better than a mailing list?</div></div><div<br>
> class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"<br>
> data-smartmail="gmail_<wbr>signature"><span<br>
> style="border-collapse:<wbr>collapse;color:rgb(136,136,<wbr>136);font-<br>
size:13px"><br><font<br>
> face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font<br>
> face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new',<br>
> monospace">E: <a href="mailto:<a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au">prologic@<wbr>shortcircuit.net.au</a>"<br>
> style="color:rgb(0,0,204)"<br>
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> style="font-family:'<wbr>courier<br>
> new',monospace;color:rgb(<wbr>136,136,136);font-size:13px"><wbr>W: </span><a<br>
> href="<a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://prologic.<wbr>shortcircuit.net.au</a>"<br>
> style="font-family:'<wbr>courier<br>
> new',monospace;font-size:<wbr>13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)"<br>
> target="_blank"><a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">prologic.<wbr>shortcircuit.net.au</a></a><br></<wbr>div></div></div><br>
> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Mr. Leveck<br>
> <span dir="ltr"><<a<br>
> href="mailto:<a href="mailto:leveck@leveck.us">leveck@leveck.us</a>"<br>
> target="_blank"><a href="mailto:leveck@leveck.us">leveck@leveck.<wbr>us</a></a>></<br>
span><br>
> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0<br>
> .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <div><br>
> <br>Was the decision made to move to NNTP? <br><br>What are some good,<br>
> free news-servers? What are some decent clients (console &<br>
> X11)?<br><br>This is one aspect of the web I have not restarted use of<br>
> yet. I'm thinking about 17 years ago on a Palm device was my last<br>
<span class="">> active use of NNTP... yeah, I suppose I could duckduckgo this, but I am<br>
</span>> looking for tried and liked options. TYIA<span class="HOEnZb"><font<br>
> color="#888888"><br><br><br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">> --<br>
> <br>Leveck </font></span></div><br>
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