[Nut-upsdev] Liebert PowerSure PSA 500

Jochen Bern bern at ti.uni-trier.de
Wed Sep 7 22:12:31 UTC 2005


Update from Liebert: They referred me to an external service company
where I talked to someone who actually writes purpose built monitoring
software for (the more expensive) Liebert UPSes. He commented that
a) even in Liebert's own MultiLink software, communication via USBHID
is not quite polished, nor currently a top priority of their developers,
to say it politely; and b) the communication option bound to offer the
most data is neither USB nor SNMP (where supported), but RS232.

(Unfortunately, when I try the RS232 cable and the liebert driver, it
never even gets aware of the (simulated) power outages, much less nets
loads of information ...)

Peter Selinger wrote:
> Jochen Bern wrote:
> > -- lsusb -v claims it "cannot get report descriptor".
> This is because the kernel driver is attached, and lsusb can't attach
> itself to this device. 

Sorry, I should've included a larger part of the output; it's *only* the
report descriptor that lsusb cannot access/read, as in:

| # lsusb -v -s 2:21 | grep -A 1 -B 2 -i ' descriptor'
| Bus 002 Device 021: ID 10af:0001
| Device Descriptor:
|   bLength                18
|   bDescriptorType         1
| --
|   bNumConfigurations      1
|   Configuration Descriptor:
|     bLength                 9
|     bDescriptorType         2
| --
|     MaxPower               20mA
|     Interface Descriptor:
|       bLength                 9
|       bDescriptorType         4
| --
|       iInterface              0
|         HID Device Descriptor:
|           bLength                 9
|           bDescriptorType        33
| --
|           wDescriptorLength     602
| cannot get report descriptor
|       Endpoint Descriptor:
|         bLength                 7
|         bDescriptorType         5

> and then you should also add a line under "Supported Nanufacturers
> IDs" in drivers/newhidups.h:
> #define LIEBERT                   0x10af          /* All models */

(There's a separate set of "#define"s in drivers/libusb.c that needed a
similar update.)

> At this point, at least your device should be opened, although not
> much useful will happen yet. If you run your "bin/newhidups -DD -a
> PowerSure", at least you should get a listing of the UPS's Usage Tree. 

Output at the end of this email.

> Then you also need to add a
> new file drivers/liebert-hid.h, modeled on drivers/apc-hid.h, changing
> APC to LIEBERT everywhere, and making sure this new file is also
> #include'd in drivers/newhidups.c. Then you have to customize that file.

Umh ... I suppose that's the part where I'm supposed to pull a Liebert
internal tech manual, listing their vendor-specific encodings, out of
some pocket ... ? :-}

> > 	[... pulling mains cable]
> > -- UPS has changed bus ID from 2:2 to 2:6 after the experiment. (Note
> >     that I pulled the cable *twice* to verify some detail ...)
> That is normal. When you unplug and re-plug the UPS, it gets assigned
> a new bus ID. This can also sometimes be caused by software that
> "resets" the device.

I'm sorta stumped. If it's normal that the USB communication gets
reset when I yank the *POWER* cable (to simulate an outage), and also
(I assume) normal that the driver cannot keep talking to the hiddev
device it has open()ed because of the reset, how will the USBHID drivers
*ever* be able to detect online <--> on battery switchovers without
throwing an I/O error message?

Charles Lepple wrote:
> For the record, the problem with the kernel HID interface is that it
> does not allow access to nested HID elements as seen in many high-end
> HID UPSes. (I think this has been fixed in later 2.6.x kernels, but
> don't quote me on that.)

(Will try a newer kernel version as soon as time permits.)

Regards,
								J. Bern

# bin/newhidups -DD -a PowerSure
debug level is '2'
Opening new device (0000/0000)
Opening new device (0000/0000)
Opening new device (0000/0000)
Opening new device (10AF/0001)
Found 0x10af
failed to claim USB device, trying 2 more time(s)...
detaching kernel driver from USB device...
trying again to claim USB device...
- Manufacturer : Liebert
- Product      : Liebert PSA 500 FW:09
- Serial Number: 0507600440BA069
HID descriptor retrieved (Reportlen =   602)
Report descriptor retrieved (Reportlen = 602)
found 1 (602)
Network UPS Tools: New USB/HID UPS driver 0.27 (2.1.0)

Report Descriptor size = 602
Detected an UPS: Liebert/Liebert PSA 500 FW:09

Manufacturer not supported!
Contact the driver author <arnaud.quette at free.fr / @mgeups.com> with the below information
Path: UPS.00860026.00860042, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860026.00860043, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860026.00860044, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860029.00860075, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860029.BUPDelayBeforeStartup, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860029.0086007c, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860058, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.0086005a, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860057, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860056, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860080, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860081, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860082, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860083, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860027.00860084, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.0086002a.0086001a.00860030, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.0086002a.0086001a.00860032, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.0086002a.0086001a.00860036, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.0086002a.0086001c.00860030, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.0086002a.0086001c.00860032, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.0086002a.0086001c.00860035, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.BUPSelfTest.00860030, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.BUPSelfTest.00860039, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860028.00860021, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.00860028.00860022, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 40 (-75/75)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.iProduct, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 41 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.iSerialNumber, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 42 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.iDeviceChemistry, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 43 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.iOEMInformation, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 44 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Rechargeable, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 45 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Charging, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 45 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Charging, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 46 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Discharging, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 46 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Discharging, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 48 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.ConfigVoltage, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 49 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Voltage, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 50 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.Current, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 51 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.CapacityMode, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 52 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.RemainingCapacity, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 52 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.RemainingCapacity, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 53 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.RunTimeToEmpty, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 53 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.RunTimeToEmpty, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 54 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.DesignCapacity, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 55 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.FullChargeCapacity, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 56 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.WarningCapacityLimit, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 57 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.CapacityGranularity2, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 58 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.RemainingCapacityLimit, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 59 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.CapacityGranularity1, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 60 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.ACPresent, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 60 (-71/71)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.ACPresent, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 61 (-108/108)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.BelowRemainingCapacityLimit, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 61 (-19/19)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.BelowRemainingCapacityLimit, Type: Feature
Can't retrieve Report 62 (-19/19)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.ShutdownImminent, Type: Input
Can't retrieve Report 62 (-19/19)
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.ShutdownImminent, Type: Feature
Path: UPS.PowerSummary.0085006c, Type: Feature
Aborting



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