[PKG-OpenRC-Debian] Installing openrc

[heroxbd at gentoo.org]

Dear Yuri,

Yuri D'Elia <wavexx at thregr.org> writes:

> I've been an early adopter of systemd on Debian, though I dislike a lot
> of the technical decisions behind it. Lately I got fed up with the
> absurd misfeatures packed in it, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR being the icing on the
> cake.
>
> I only recently discovered openrc as an alternative, and generally like
> it's design in many ways.
>
> I tried to look at it from a dependency POV, but it looks like systemd
> has planted its root in Debian up to the point to being irremovable!
>
> policykit-1 depends on libpam-systemd, which depends on systemd itself
> (though systemd-sysv is not _directly_ required). I also dislike
> policykit in general, but it seems that I cannot get rid of it due to
> several other important packages (and that despite not running gnome/kde
> in the first place!).

> Can we actually ask policykit-1 to break the dependency on
> libpam-systemd?

Interesting, I don't have policykit installed, and I don't run
gnome/kde. I do see policykit-1 requiring libpam-systemd now.

That's bug 761088,

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761088

Your concern will be more heard there.

> However, even if I can assume to get rid of "systemd" itself, it looks
> like that several systemd libraries are now basically uninstallable,
> which several other components tightly bound to systemd itself.

That's a sad situation, although having systemd library around is not
that bad if it has a well-defined API and functionality.

> I'm really wondering about the state of sysvinit-core and openrc at this
> point. Can I actually expect to be able to use anything except systemd
> at this point in unstable?

> Do any of you actually use openrc?

I am using OpenRC + sysvinit happily, could you elaborate what software
is blocking you?  We can figure them out one by one, except policykit-1
discussed above.

> Sorry for the breadth of the questions.

No problem, that's quite understandable. And welcome to the list!

Cheers,
Benda