[Pkg-exppsy-maintainers] Gearing up for PyEPL release

Wed Aug 6 17:59:11 UTC 2008

comments below...

but have you thought about trac -- what is it missing? seems to have
wiki (based on it actually), git module, ticket system... is in debian,
should be easy to roll out your own server with it?

> I tried to start a new project there awhile back and was turned down
> because I did not prove that it was specifically designed to promote
> debian.  PyEPL is not specifically designed to support debian,
> however, packaging PyEPL for debian is.
I didn't check the policy but I saw quite a few projects which are
hosted on alioth and which are not debian-centric: e.g. minicom

> I don't like having a handful of larger projects under the pkg-exppsy
> heading in alioth.  Outside us, no one really knows about alioth or
> has accounts on it (obviously, it's easy to get an account.)  Every
> online hosting site forces you to have an account on their system to
> use it, so that's not a big issue.
yeah -- that would be one of the disadvantages to have everything on
alioth but wiki elsewhere (with separate authentication)

> Alioth has git hosting, but no wiki and it doesn't really seem that
> PyEPL fits under the main goals of Alioth.
well -- you can mention while requesting the project that originally
pkg-exppsy was created to host pyepl but it became much wider project,
thus you need to split it away.

> Sourceforge has no git and an annoying interface
yeah -- that is why I didn't suggest it ;-)

> To be honest, I'm currently leaning towards using GoogleCode and I'm
> looking for someone to talk me out of it.  I would likely still keep
> the source at alioth for the git excitement.  If alioth is going to
> work in the long run, pyepl would likely need its own project and I'm
> not sure that will fly with the admins.  Also, the main impetus for
> this move is to have a wiki, which alioth can't supply.

> Thanks for any thoughts,
> Per

> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko
> <debian at onerussian.com> wrote:
> > Hi Per

> > sorry for being salient.
> > so, alioth could provide you with everything besides wiki, right? so may
> > be it would be a good place? and then host wiki elsewhere? there are
> > free wiki hosts available but I am not sure if you would like to take
> > the risk to use any of those ;-)

> > well... I could install and make available a host with anything we like
> > to have on it but then we would need to take a burden of maintaining it
> > (shouldn't be too much but if you like to have public wiki it might be
> > some burden). what do you think?

> > On Wed, 06 Aug 2008, Per B. Sederberg wrote:

> >> Does anyone receiving this email have any thoughts on where/how to
> >> host PyEPL?  The goal is to have centralized source, issue tracking,
> >> mailing list, wiki, ...

> >> I hope all is well around the world :)

> >> Talk to you soon,
> >> Per

> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Per B. Sederberg <persed at princeton.edu> wrote:
> >> > Hi Folks:

> >> > I'm gearing up for a PyEPL release.  The last before a larger overhaul
> >> > that will include a major refactor and, hopefully, Windows support.
> >> > This release actually has a load of very important changes (we now
> >> > have a changelog in there, for one.)

> >> > I'd like your input on some issues going forward.  Greg has been
> >> > pushing for a long time (and he is absolutely right and we are remiss
> >> > for not doing this earlier) that we need a wiki to help build a
> >> > community of users pushing sample code and other exciting tidbits.  We
> >> > currently have a mailing list / forum on sourceforge and that's where
> >> > we post our releases.  I'm not blown away by their wiki and I'm
> >> > getting more and more annoyed by the massive amount of distracting ads
> >> > (I realize they are providing a great service and must pay for what
> >> > they are providing.)

> >> > As you know, the PyEPL source is now hosted under git at alioth, which
> >> > I'm happy to keep.  I personally like the mailing list and issue
> >> > tracking provided by google code far more than what I've seen us use
> >> > on alioth.  Google code also has a minimal wiki that would suffice.  I
> >> > certainly don't want to move over to svn (even as git-svn), so that is
> >> > not a big worry in any way.

> >> > So, here's one proposal: We move the forum/mailing list over to google
> >> > code and start using their wiki, too.  We would still need to figure
> >> > out where to put a pyepl website, which is currently also hosted on
> >> > sourceforge.  We would then post tarballs and installs there, as well.

> >> > The good would be that it's more centralized, the bad is that we would
> >> > not be completely centralized and there may be complaints about using
> >> > google code.

> >> > If you have the chance, please chime in with opinions about this along
> >> > with alternatives that we have not fully explored (such as
> >> > github.com)...  I'd love to know how close we can get with alioth,
> >> > too.  The basic desire is to get a more unified home for the PyEPL
> >> > with a website, wiki, forum/mailing list, bug/issue tracking,
> >> > releases, ...

> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Per

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Student  Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT
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