Bug#726446: jugglemaster: missing icon entry in menu files and no desktop files Jessie Release Goal

[Helmut Grohne]

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:56:49AM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
> Indeed that's an upstream issue but of course we can provide a patch or
> make suggestions. Please find attached my proposal in icons.tar.xz. I am
> not an artist myself, but usually a screenshot and some simple cropping
> and manipulation with Gimp does the trick. That's always better than
> nothing.

Thanks for your effort, but I find these icons (specifically the xpm
versions) unreadable. At those scales screenshots simply don't work. In
a typical menu they would be indistinguishable from black and white
squares respectively. I'd rather see a name than these icons to
represent JuggleMaster. I also see no use in using radically different
icons for these packages, because they really are just two interfaces to
the same tool.

I am requesting help for icon creation on
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/RequestArtwork now.

> That's funny. Most people find requesting menu files to be the "odd"
> request. I think you are mixing up two different issues here. Desktop
> files are useful no matter whether xdg-menu is packaged or not. All

I failed to put .desktop files to good use (beyond validating them) so
far, maybe you can enlighten me? Is there some particular package I need
to install? (Of course I do not deny the usefulness of .desktop files to
others!)

> major desktop environments support desktop files and without a desktop
> file jugglemaster is not visible on Gnome3, KDE, Xfce or LXDE. Since

Well, my observation is that menu files work with all window managers I
tried and desktop files work with none of them. I acknowledge that I am probably
not mainstream (and that is why I added desktop files), but .desktop
support is obviously nowhere near ubiquitous.

> desktop files are widely adopted by all other distributions, they are de
> facto the standard for displaying menu entries across different DEs and
> WMs and should be supported by all applications.

No, they are not the de facto standard. There currently are two
competing standards, because neither standard works for everyone. The
aim should be moving to one standard (probably .desktop), but I do not
see that happening (and I won't be doing that work, because the "old"
standard works for me).

> Nevertheless packaging xdg-menu would be a good idea but this is
> unrelated to the request at hand to ship desktop files and should not
> block this bug. In fact having desktop files is a pre-condition.

No, having a way to use .desktop files is a requisite for testing them.
Otherwise they are just random garbage dropped in random places.
Support for using them must come first. That's why the blocking
indication.

> The desktop files work fine except that no icons are displayed.

Thanks!

> I recommend to add keywords and some comments in German too. :-)

Given that I have no easy way to test these things (beyond validating),
I am reluctant to put in more effort. I'll take patches (or
replacements) though.

Helmut