Bug#380254: yelp crashes on start

Sun Jul 30 15:28:36 UTC 2006

 IRC log:

14:33 < ifvoid> lool: ping
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14:42 < lool> ifvoid: pong
14:46 < ifvoid> lool: about #380254
14:47 < ifvoid> with accessibility, so you mean the assistive technology thing?
14:49 < lool> ifvoid: from gnome preferences, accessibility
14:49 < ifvoid> yeah, right
14:49 < lool> ifvoid: I'm not sure of the english name
14:49 < ifvoid> that's disabled already
14:49 < lool> ok, did you log out and back in?
14:49 < ifvoid> no, but it was never enabled
14:49 < ifvoid> I didn't change it
14:50 < lool> weird, ISTR I saw atk stuff in your backtrace
14:51 < lool> ifvoid: yeah, I see accessibility stuff in your backtrace
14:51 < ifvoid> weird
14:51 < ifvoid> hm
14:51 < lool> ifvoid: it was never ever enabled?
14:51 < ifvoid> not that I can remember
14:51 < ifvoid> but let me just enable and disable it again
14:51 < lool> ifvoid: cause CORBA stuff might hang around for a while
14:51 < lool> ifvoid: yes, I was about to ask this :)
14:52 < lool> ifvoid: a good test is to type an URL in the GNOME "Run..." dialog
14:52 < lool> ifvoid: if it crashes, you have accessibility enabled :)
14:52 < ifvoid> run dialog?
14:52 < lool> Alt-F2
14:52 < ifvoid> that doesn't so anything here
14:52 < lool> uh
14:52 < ifvoid> I'm ot using metacity though
14:52 < lool> are you under a gnome session?
14:52 < lool> ah
14:52 < ifvoid> yeah
14:53 < ifvoid> gnoem with sawfish
14:53 < lool> I don't find the Run dialog in the GNOME menu!
14:54 < lool> this is *so* stupid
14:55 < lool> ifvoid: no idea how you can reach it without metacity
14:55 < ifvoid> anyway, I just enabled accessibility stuff and tries to relogin
14:55 < lool> ok
14:55 < ifvoid> but now everything crahes
14:55 < ifvoid> gnome-panel and nautilus, at least
14:55 < ifvoid> only sawfish and firefox are started
14:56 < lool> ok can you disable accessibility again, logout, wipe any running bonobo/orbit process and see whether yelp still crashes?
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14:56 < ifvoid> well
14:57 < lool> the bonobo process looks like this:
14:57 < lool> lool      6263  0.0  0.3   7664  3276 ?        Ss   14:09   0:00 /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=18
14:57 < ifvoid> I can't even login to gnoem anymore atm
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14:58 < ifvoid> lemme try the failsafe session
14:58 < lool> ifvoid: can you try running gnome-control-center from a non-gnome session?
14:59 < lool> or simply gnome-at-properties
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14:59 < ifvoid> ah, working again
15:00 < lool> ifvoid: another likely cause of yelp crashing on your computer only is something in your session, it's usually easy to diagnose, but hard to fix
15:00 < ifvoid> all kinds of gnome precesses were hanging in the background still
15:00 < lool> ifvoid: ah great, so probably accessibility was enabled but didn't appear so?
15:00 < lool> ifvoid: does yelp still crash?
15:00 < ifvoid> might be
15:00 < ifvoid> anyway, it's off now, and I have my gnome desktop back
15:00 < ifvoid> let's see about yelp
15:00 < ifvoid> still crashes
15:01 < lool> hmm
15:01 < lool> ok, easiest way to diagnose a session related problem is to create a new temporary user and login with it, and launch yelp
15:01 < ifvoid> ok
15:01 < lool> it it works, it's going to be painful to diagnose, but it's something lanched in your saved session
15:03 < lool> ifvoid: oh wait, can you check accessibility of the keyboard?
15:03 < lool> ifvoid: is it enabled?
15:03 < lool> this is in gnome-accessibility-keyboard-properties
15:03 < Sesse> whoa :-)
15:03 < ifvoid> lool: in the clean user session, it also crashes
15:03 < lool> ifvoid: argh
15:04 < ifvoid> and alles accesiibility is disabled there
15:04 < lool> ifvoid: then it's really a RC bug
15:04 < ifvoid> would you like a backtrace in the clean session?
15:04 < lool> yes, can you install dbg symbols for libs in your backtrace?
15:05 < lool> libatspi-dbg
15:05 < lool> libatk1.0-dbg
15:05 < lool> libxul0d-dbg
15:06 < lool> libgtk2.0-dbg and libglib2.0-dbg
15:06 < lool> ifvoid: BTW, any particular Xulrunner plugins installed?
15:06 < lool> ifvoid: or keyboard input methods?
15:06 < madduck> http://www.nicht-lustig.de/toondb/020302.html -- i won't translate as i don't think it's necessary.
15:06 < ifvoid> libgtk2.0-dbg doesn't exist on amd64, it seesm
15:06 < madduck> and if you want, look at the one behind the left arrow. funny
15:07 < ifvoid> oh, it's replace by libgtk2.0-0-dbg
15:07 < lool> ah sorry, my mistake
15:08 < lool> forgot about this
15:08 < ifvoid> lool: what should those xylrunners and input methods be called?
15:08 < lool> ifvoid: xulrunner is the replacement of mozilla for building yelp
15:08 < lool> ifvoid: but modules may be named mozilla-*
15:09 < ifvoid> jist mozilla-browser, -firefox and -psm are installed
15:09 < lool> eg mozilla-plugin-gnash, mozilla-plugin-vlc, mozilla-bonobo
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15:10 < lool> ifvoid: we're lagging an at-spi release, and atk has a new stable branch, both of these are candidates to fix your issue, so we should ping you when these get in the archive
15:11 < lool> ifvoid: if it doesn't help, someone with amd64 should diagnose the bug :-/
15:12 < ifvoid> but I'm not using any at
15:12 < ifvoid> ok, installing the debug packages rigth now
15:13 < lool> ifvoid: yeah, I know you disabled accessibility, but for some reason these libs are still in the backtrace
15:13 < lool> I wonder if xulrunner-gnome-support is turning it on or something like that
15:14 < lool> ifvoid: mind if I sent his IRC log to the bug?
15:15 < ifvoid> be my guest
15:15 < ifvoid> I was already replying with a short summary and a new backtrace though
15:15 < lool> ok, I'll let you send the info then
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15:16 < ifvoid> lool: btw, xulrunner and xulrunner-gnome-support aren't installed
15:16 < ifvoid> lool: it probably wouldn't hurt to send the irc log anyway
15:16 < ifvoid> it's a bit moer verbose, I think
15:17 < lool> ifvoid: ok
15:17 < ifvoid> let me try what happens if I remove at-spi altogether
15:18 < lool> ifvoid: I have to leave, thanks for the information
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15:19 < ifvoid> ahhh
15:19 < ifvoid> without at-spi installed, the bug goes away
15:20 < lool> ifvoid: ah good
15:20 < lool> ifvoid: please reassign to at-spi
15:20 < lool> ifvoid: the new upstream release has important bugs and need some commits to be reverted before being uploaded to Debian, and noone looked into it yet
15:20 < ifvoid> ok

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Loïc Minier <lool at dooz.org>