Bug#355064: gnome shouldn't depend on rhythmbox

[Loïc Minier]

tags 355064 + wontfix
stop

        Hi,

On Fri, Mar 03, 2006, Michael Stone wrote:
> >You didn't make any effort to encompass my vision,
> You didn't seem to make any effort to consider that someone might not 
> be interested in rhythmbox.

 Uh?  You're completely out of your shoes here, you're free not to
 install it, you're free not to install the gnome meta-package.  The
 whole discussion started about people installing rhythmbox, not about
 people not wanting to install rhythmbox.

 If you're referring to the fact that this particular bug report is
 about the removal of rhythmbox from the gnome meta-package, I think
 your point of view is completely biased by the fact it pulls in
 avahi-daemon, and that you should try to solve that issue instead of
 working around it.

> >People wanting the GNOME desktop, and only that should install
> >gnome-desktop-environment.  gnome is a much wider set, pulling stuff
> >like evolution, or gnome-office.
> Neither of which is a network service...

 And?  What's your point?  You already repeated and repeated that
 avahi-daemon listens on the network, we both know that.  That doesn't
 bring the discussion any further.  My point here was that "gnome" is a
 large set of packages, and gnome-desktop-environment is actually what
 is an official GNOME desktop.  People choosing "gnome" get a large set
 of packages, now with a network service, if they didn't want a large
 set, they would use "gnome-desktop-environment".

 And if you're not happy with foo or bar in gnome, you can make your own
 package depending on everything in gnome except foo or bar, and name
 that gnome-secure-with-no-stuff-listening-on-the-network-by-default.

 Please note that as proposal number 3/ to workaround the avahi-daemon
 pull in problem.

> >Again, you seem to miss the point of gnome versus
> >gnome-desktop-environment.
> Please explain it. Are you suggesting that *everything* in debian that 
> uses gnome should be installed when someone select "gnome"? Because 
> that's not the case. The gnome package is an arbitrary set of packages, 
> and there is no reason that a particular music player has to be in it.

 No, the "gnome" package is decided among the GNOME team to reflect the
 most popular packages hosted under the cup of gnome.org and which make
 a cool desktop.  There's no music player in the official GNOME
 desktop[1], but there's one in the official GNOME "module" [2].

> >take the problem the next step (since evidently you wanted to bypass me
> >by bringing that at the GNOME team scope)
> Why is that bypassing you? You can manage your package any way you want 
> to. I think it's wrong, but that's fine. I don't see why you believe 
> that means that your package *has to be* installed by default for anyone 
> who wants gnome.

 You're free to believe whatever you want.  You seem to believe
 rhythmbox shouldn't Recommend avahi-daemon, but perhaps simply suggest
 it.  When I ruled this possibility out, you took a side path to ensure
 that avahi-daemon wouldn't be pulled by the installation of "gnome",
 the side path being to request the removal of rhythmbox from the
 meta-package, which is non-sense.

 You still completely ignored my proposals, my arguments, and my point
 of view, you didn't acknowledge any of what I said at least as
 something being from a different incompatible point of view, you solely
 believe in your point of view as being the only sensible one to have.

 Since you are not open-minded in this discussion, I don't want to loop
 on the same arguments over and over again, without any progress.

 You didn't reply to my proposal of bringing this to the TC.

 I have no idea how you expect this discussion to produce anything
 constructive, you're welcome to ping the bug and me again when you've
 decided that you want to bring in front of TC or not.

 I didn't change my mind on the fact that rhythmbox should permit
 sharing by default.  I gave information on why rhythmbox is in the
 gnome meta-package, and pointed you as workarounds (don't install the
 meta-package, create your meta-package, use a different one such as
 g-d-e).

 Hence, wontfix (for now).

   R,

 [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.12/2.12.3/sources/
 [2] http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/jhbuild/modulesets/gnome-2.12.modules?rev=1.118&view=markup
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