Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task
joss at debian.org
Tue Jun 3 20:32:50 UTC 2008
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 13:27 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> > It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor,
> > while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is
> > not, but I can easily change that).
> I prefer not to have multiple choices of programs in a task though,
> unless there's a damn good reason for doing it. Both bloat and user
I have both OOo and abiword installed on all my machines, because they
cover different needs. One is to read big MS Word files, the other is to
Anyway, what I can propose you is to make gnome-office only a
Recommends: of gnome. I still find it is a shame not to ship abiword and
gnumeric by default, but size considerations do matter.
> > * dia: it's not a very good application, but it doesn't have any
> > suitable replacement. I think we should ship it by default, but
> > not that strongly.
> I think I'd rather use inkscape than struggle with dia again, even if I
> specifically needed to do UML stuff. But I don't feel it's something
> typical desktop users are going to want at all.
Agreed. I’m moving it to suggests.
> > * gnumeric: same problem as abiword, but the difference is that
> > gnumeric is superior to OOo calc in many ways. I feel it should
> > be the default for GNOME, even if it means not installing OOo
> > calc.
> I don't have experience with gnumeric to say if it's better, but
> doesn't OOo calc have some advantages in being integrated with a word
Of course it has, but I don’t know many people who actually use this
Unfortunately, a full gnumeric installation is bigger than OOo calc
alone if you already have the rest of OOo installed, so the size
argument is again against gnome office.
> > * planner: not very well maintained upstream, but it is a useful
> > application without many good replacements. I don't feel
> > strongly about it, but it is small.
> 6 mb small.. Planner does not seem to be used by a lot of people.
Agreed, I moved it to Recommends.
> > > > * gdm-themes: nice to have for customizing one’s desktop, just
> > > > like gnome-themes-extras.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure that "nice to have" is really worth bloating the default
> > > install (and installation media) by 4 mb. We ship a pre-themed gdm.
> > >
> > > (Dropping the 20 mb gnome-themes-extras would also be a sizable win to
> > > consider...)
> > Considering the size of the default installation, that’s definitely your
> > call.
> Do you think that a lot of users would miss it?
Unlike the GDM themes, I know many people who use them. The Gorilla and
Nuvola themes are really well designed and popular.
> > > > * gparted: not sure it is that useful, but we could add it to
> > > > gnome.
> > >
> > > I'm on the fence about this one myself. Gustavo promoted adding it.
> > Actually, it sounds like something more useful for the installer itself
> > than for normal desktop operation.
> I think the idea was that some people will install using the default
> partition sizes, and need to change that later, and it would be good to
> have a user-friendly way for them to do so.
> Popcon says that 5000 out of 40000 installations actually use it, which
> is higher than I would have expected. Especially since you'd think most
> people would only use it once or twice.
This number is indeed surprising. At least, I’ve made it a Recommends.
> > I’m not sure it is that useful. We already have nice integrated UIs, I’m
> > not sure we need web crap just for the coolness of web 4.0.
> Potential benefits include being able to go to a games team page with
> screenshots of games, and click on them to install. (I'm also looking at
> goplay of course..)
The good solution to me would be to find a way to add screenshot
browsing support to synaptic.
Following your other comments, I’ve also changed the following:
* fixed the totem mess,
* demoted gnome-games-extra-data to a recommends,
* demoted tomboy to a recommends,
* added update-notifier as a recommends,
* added gdebi and gnome-app-install,
* added transmission-gtk as a depends,
* added empathy (I mistyped, telepathy is the framework and
empathy the client) as a recommends (if you want to add this
one, don’t forget its recommends as well),
* added bluez-gnome and gnome-vfs-obexftp,
* added network-manager-gnome as a recommends,
* added xsane to gnome-office,
* added arj and p7zip.
The current version can be found there:
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