Bug#645656: network-manager in Gnome

[Josselin Mouette]

Le vendredi 04 novembre 2011 à 18:17 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer a
écrit : 
> Nevertheless,.. why cant you make the metapackages to make more use of
> recommends instead of depends.

Because doing so is like ensuring there will be some systems that don’t
work correctly, wasting our time on bug reports that can be fixed just
by installing the missing recommends.

Worse, it would let metapackages migrate to testing without the
appropriate dependencies.

Metapackages are not a supermarket. We get requests from people who want
to replace rhythmbox with banshee, tomboy with gnote, evolution with
mutt, or whatnot. Guess what? It’s hard enough maintaining good
metapackages. Those who ask are obviously skilled enough to install what
they need; metapackages are here for those who want GNOME, not “GNOME
without mono” or “GNOME without evolution”.

> Not sure about how to handle things like pulseaudio... I never needed it
> in gnome2, and all my applications just ran fine.

Guess what? It took a lot of effort on our side to make this happen. We
didn’t want to ship PA by default while upstream requested it and the
technology was not ready.

> Now I need it, and actually, gnome3's mixer applet does not run
> correctly without..
> So I've installed it,... and now my sound makes crackling noise...

Are you running the latest kernel? There have been a lot of fixes in
drivers for PA, and it’s now working on almost all systems (of course
there are still unlucky ones).

The same holds for NM. Most criticism has been inherited from version
0.6 which was full of design flaws. Upstream and us made this a
dependency now because we believe it will be easier to fix the remaining
bugs than to support different underlying subsystems.

And I find our criteria for doing so are way different from Fedora’s.

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