Bug#358664: [Pkg-kde-extras] Bug#358664: Reopen Bug#358664

[Frank Schoolmeesters]

Hi,

Sorry for the delay to reply, i was disconnected from the net for a few days.

On 2/1/07, Jari Aalto <jari.aalto at cante.net> wrote:
> "Frank Schoolmeesters" <frank_schoolmeesters at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > On 2/1/07, Jari Aalto <jari.aalto at cante.net> wrote:
> >> Mark Purcell <msp at debian.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > tags 358664 wontfix
> >> > tags 358664 upstream
> >> > forwarded 358664 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1460937&group_id=6488&atid=106488
> >> > thanks
> >> >
> >> > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 20:41, Jari Aalto wrote:
> >> >> Repoening - and do now tag with "wontfix" just to hide this problem.
> >> >
> >> > Done!
> >> >
> >> >> If KDE people are unresponsive, then Debian amaintainer could write
> >> >> local patch to remove the intrusive screen.
> >> >
> >> > This is well beyond the remit of normal Debian package maintenance.
> >> >
> >> > Patches are always welcome, if you can assist...
> >>
> >> Good to here. Will you apply it once I get one ready?
> >> Do you prefer dpatch managed one or do I just send diff?
> >
> > The splash screen is NOT intrusive, and can be disabled very easy in
> > Konfigurator as already stated many times in
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358664
>
> What konfigurator? I do not use KDE WM/desktop at all.
This is already replied, Konfigurator is Krusader Configuration tool.
http://krusader.sourceforge.net/handbook/konfigurator.html
It can be opened from the settings menu
http://krusader.sourceforge.net/handbook/settings-menu.html

I'm now understanding your point, but Konfigurator is not part of KDE,
it's just a name for Krusaders configuration center, and the splash
screen can be disabled easy there.
With Konfigurator you can customise Krusader to your own needs.

>Only the
> "File manager" Krusader. Linux doe snot have many good file managers
> that are comparable to that of Windows OS. Thank you for the program!
Thanks!

> > Current KDE nor Krusader is intended to work on old hardware, as i
> > already mentioned before.
>
> The problem is not there. For some reason or other the startup takes
> very long time.
>
> * In fast machines it just flashes, right?
Yes

> * In slow machine is stays there and occupies 20% of the
>   effective screen space. And because the way it's been
>   implemented, it staus "on top", making it impossible work in
>   other windows underneat (actuall, it certers itself, making
>   all programs unusable)
The splash screen was intended to show something when Krusader was
loading into memory.
On older hardware it will popup for about 20 seconds, in your'e case
it's 15 minutes that indicates that something is wrong, but i don't
know what.
Unfortunately nobody can't reproduce it, a wild guess is that you are
missing a kde library but i'm not shure about it.
And as already mentioned, you can disable the splash screen easy with
Konfigurator.

> Please understand that there are many many people that do not have the
> monetary assets to upgrade every year. The world is not the developed
> countries.
>
I do understand.
My first computer did run on 0,5Mhz , 64 KB ram, 32 KB rom
I personally don't like the hardware upgrade hell eigher.
Somehow the new and faster CPU's always do run software that needs
more and more resources, i never have understould why this is realy
needed (except if you want to sell again and again new software).

> > I don't understand why you are so aggressive against the solution
> > provided as already mentioned before.
> >
> > AFAIK there is only _one_ of many many many users who has a problem
> > with this issue.
>
> I do hope that this won't go into that direction. Any problem, should
> be listened and checked if it can be solevd in a satisfactory way. If
> I understand correct, it has been suggested
>
> * Use Konfigurator
>
>   => Cannot do that. No KDE Desktp is installed.
>
The solution is to disable it in Konfigurator, that is a part of
Krusader, you don't need the KDE Desktop.

> * Other have not ported this before
>
>   => That does not make bug non-existing. There are various reasond why this
>   has not een reported: people don't know reportbug, they use better hardware,
>   better displays (X > 1024), or they just don't bother sending reports.
>
> I'm wondering:
>
> * what functionality is lost if the splash screen is not diplayed?
> * what are the real benefits of splash screen in the first place other
>   than a marketting slogan and making name known? Do we really need that
>   kind of announcements?
>
The splashscreen can be disabled, many other applications do use spash
screen to popup something during loading into memory.

> I'm willing to invest the time to examine this if I get a confimation
> that patch will be accepted (likeMark Purcell suggested), in case
> developers are busy in taks elsewhere.
>
> Jari

If you are able to find out why the spashscreen is blocking for 15
minutes, ofcource it will be fixed, the problem is that we are unable
to reproduce it, so it can't be fixed and AFAIK youre the only one who
has this problem.
The workaround is to disable the spashscreen with Konfigurator.


On 2/1/07, Tom Albers <tomalbers at kde.nl> wrote:
> Op do 1 feb 2007 22:25 schreef u:
> > What konfigurator?
>
> You can configure the splash screen in the settings of krusader itself.
>
> > * Use Konfigurator
> >
> >   => Cannot do that. No KDE Desktp is installed.
>
> Not the KDE one, but the krusader settings.
>
> > I'm willing to invest the time to examine this if I get a confimation
> > that patch will be accepted (likeMark Purcell suggested), in case
> > developers are busy in taks elsewhere.
>
> Can we start with a screenshot of the actual problem? I see a splashscreen which is very tiny, so I'm not sure what your problem exactly is,. so a screenshot would clarify things a bit more...
>
> Toma
>

Something is wrong on Jari's 400Mhz computer but nobody is able to
reproduce it (see my reply above). There was also a mis understanding
about Konfigurator.

sincerely,

Frank Schoolmeesters
Krusader Krew
http://krusader.sourceforge.net/