Bug#541658: problem not only in the network
metalcaedes at gmail.com
Mon Jun 28 17:55:38 UTC 2010
sasha mal schrieb:
> There the behavior of IE+Win is, in general, the world standard due to the major market share. Some behaviors (including bugs, no matter how you defined them) of IE+Win don't correspond to that of the other browsers. If some behavior doesn't change in IE+Win for a long period of time (which we observe here), then, yes, that behavior is standard.
Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it true.
Also, this is not some weird rendering-behaviour (like this crap in
IE6-days that caused 80% additional effort in web development just to
make a page look ok on IE), but a problem on the network-level. At least
http should be implemented sufficiently standard-conform by any browser
>> That being said, your pages work just fine on iceweasel here, so iceweasel is apparently not at fault here.
>> Again, please make sure everything is fine at the networking level. Ask your network administrator if necessary.
I agree that most probably it isn't Iceweasels fault, because Opera,
Chrome, Safari, Arora, even IE6 on my win2k-vbox etc are also affected.
IE7 (or IE8) and Firefox on windows server 2008 do load the page - on
the same box that fails to load that page under debian.
So the problem probably is Linux/Debian specific.. so it may be a valid
bug (if it turns out that it's somehow debians fault and not microsofts
fault), I hope Mike doesn't mind discussing the bug here until we know
the real cause so the bug can be reassigned or closed.
I guess I'll have to do further debugging with wireshark etc on both
this box and my router to see, if the TCP-Package containing the cookie
at least passes my router "into the internet" and if there really is no
answer from research.microsoft.com.. when I find some spare time.
> I do see networks where all browsers opens the pages. But there are also networks where the pages don't get opened in SOME browsers, including firefox. Those networks are absolutely ok in other terms, network administration is with, e.g., the main Spanish telephone company telefonica, which says: "use IE". And they are not single networks, or no, I've seen this behavior often in at least three different countries. I remember being told that those pages did't open on firefox even inside MS. Since safari uses partially the netscape code, but lynx uses a different code base, I'm not surprised that the the behavior occurs in safari, but not in lynx.
I'm pretty sure that Safari and Firefox don't share Code that is
relevant for this (network-specific) problem. Maybe they share
with the issue.
I'm also quite sure that Opera and Firefox don't share any code.
I just tried "Lynx Version 2.8.7dev.9 (27 Apr 2008)" from debian lenny
and it did load the pages.. but didn't use any cookies, even though I
2196 491.242293 192.168.0.126 220.127.116.11 HTTP GET
# note: lynx uses HTTP/1.0 instead of 1.1
# the request:
GET /en-us/jobs/default.aspx HTTP/1.0
Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01
Accept-Encoding: gzip, compress, bzip2
User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.7dev.9 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1
see? No cookie.
You can try to verify that on your box with wireshark, but I guess it'll
look the same and send no cookie, so the page is loaded without problems.
How do you connect to the internet with affected boxes? DSL, UMTS, ...?
Directly or with a router? What kind of router? etc.
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