uploaded first pkg: pd-motex
dr at jones.dk
Sat Aug 14 10:33:01 UTC 2010
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:37:36PM -0400, Andres Mejia wrote:
>I would like to chime in and say that with the packages I've worked on
>(besides my own), I found that both dh and cdbs get whatever I need
>done. I however prefer dh.
I suspect that you (like Benjamin) mean modern short-form debhelper
above - not classic debhelper (which is not really comparable to CDBS):
* Classic debhelper solves certain atomic tasks
* CDBS offer patterns to invoke external tools, e.g. classic debhelper
* Modern shortform dh invokes classic debhelper (and more) as patterns
>Really the only reason I've stuck with dh over cdbs in my packages is
>because cdbs depends on debhelper. cdbs even build depends on
>debhelper. I've asked myself, "what's the point of having 2 build
>dependencies when 1 is all that I need". Because of this, I found that
>I may as well use debhelper directly for packaging, as opposed to using
>debhelper indirectly via cdbs.
I suspect your reasoning to be flawed:
CDBS build-depends on some packages for its regression tests, among
those debhelper and default-jdk. No, CDBS neither rely on debhelper nor
on Java at runtime, despite these build-dependencies.
CDBS depends (at runtime) on debhelper because an exotic feature in the
optional debhelper.mk snippet needs at least debhelper 5.0.30, but it is
not possible to express a versioned recommends.
>I'm not sure if I'm alone in this kind of reasoning. However, if you
>can somehow remove cdbs dependency on debhelper, I'm sure cdbs would be
>much more interesting.
Actually that dependency _is_ possible to remove. But what would we
NB! CDBS never provided the functionality of classic debhelper.
>Now if it's already possible to use cdbs without debhelper, than I'll
>go ahead and admit that I did not know. So far however, I haven't found
>how to use cdbs without debhelper in cdbs documentation or in cdbs
>examples. Also, cdbs dependency and build dependency on debhelper leads
>me to believe that it's not currently possible.
It *is* possible. But CDBS does not do what classic debhelper does, so
unless you want to do that yourself, I fail to understand your reasoning
As I see it, CDBS and classic debhelper is *not* comparable, but works
together (none of them depending on the other, really). CDBS and the
*overlay* provided by newer releases of debhelper - the short-form dh
tool" - an addition, not a replacement, to the classic dh_* tools - are
comparable, and is what Benjamin asked clarification about earlier in
Hope that helps.
As you no doubt have noticed by now, I really like CDBS. That does not
mean, however, that I want to spam all lists with praising it: if you
consider this topic irrelevant to discuss, then don't!
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