csound manual

[Jonas Smedegaard]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 04:59:35PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 16:51, Jonas Smedegaard <jonas at jones.dk> wrote:
>> You write to me personally, even though the packaging has now moved 
>> to the Multimedia team.  Was that intentional?
>
>No, it was not. Just force of habit, i think.

:-)


>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 04:35:27PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 15:44, Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:37:28PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>
>>>>> May I ask you update that please? I updated the manual to version 
>>>>> 5.12 a couple of weeks ago, the changes are in the git repository. 
>>>>> Maybe then we can release the updated manual?
>>>>
>>>> Updated now.
>>>>
>>>> But please check the changes to copyright_hints, like this:
>>>>
>>>>  QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a
>>>>  DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 debian/rules pre-build
>>>>  DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 fakeroot debian/rules clean
>>>>  QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt pop -a
>>>>  mv debian/copyright_newhints debian/copyright_hints
>>>>  git diff --color-words
>>>>
>>>> ...or however you want to do the last part.
>>>>
>>>> It seems at least Michael Gogins has newly appeared.
>>>
>>> Michael Gogins has since a long time authored manual entries. He 
>>> just appeared in the copyright hints, it seems.
>>
>> How do you mean "he just appeared"?  That he is really not a 
>> copyright holder and it is wrong that his name appeared there?
>
>He just appeared in some file, thus detected by the copyright script.

He appeared as a copyright holder, I believe, so something that we 
should document IMHO:

>Copyright 2004-2005 by Michael Gogins for modifications made to the 
>Alternative Csound Reference Manual

...except off course if that mentioned "Alternative Csound Reference 
Manual" is not at all included in any of our source or binary packages.


>However, note that currently we have everything as copyright Andres 
>Cabrera and others. Upstream is not really thorough in tracking 
>copyrights, so trying to work out which file was authored by which set 
>of people is not something I think is a reasonable use of anyone's 
>time.

I don't find it acceptable for us to just use the joker term "and 
others" as upstram author.  If we cannot locate upstream authors, then 
we cannot locate the ones granting us the free license, which means we 
really did not receive that license and cannot redistribute.


>> And did you check thoroughly? I just mentioned his name as an example 
>> - I believe there were more differences than that.
>
>There are many new files, and I do not track each one to see if a new 
>copyright holder appears. However, I do follow upstream's list, and the 
>license has not changed for the manual, which means contributions to 
>the manual are licensed as GFDL.

Upstream are in a different position than us.  Them choosing to be more 
relaxed in how they express copyright and licensing does not permit us 
to do the same.


  - Jonas

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