Bug#876096: closing 876096

[IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)]

On 2017-09-18 15:31, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) (2017-09-18 14:42:19)
>> On 2017-09-18 14:14, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> close 876096 0.9.7-3
>>> thanks
>>>
>>
>> honestly i think this is a rather pointless exercise.
> 
> Point is to provide our users with Free licensed software by default.

hmm, the drumkits aren't software per se.
i'm not saying that we shouldn't prefer free data.
but we don't patch our browsers to only access free webservers.

> 
> 
>> what's the difference between the drumkits provided by the 
>> "hydrogen-drumkits" package and the ones that can be downloaded via 
>> the "free" feed?
> 
> The difference is that hydrogen-drumkits package provides our users with 
> all the drumkits that Debian has to offer which are packaged, whereas 
> the default Hydrogen feed provides our users with access to drumkits 
> claimed to be Free licensed.

so what's the difference?

which drumkits are included in hydrogen-drumkits that are not "claimed
to be Free licensed" (regardless of RC#869180; even so all of the kits
included in hydrogen-drumkits are *claimed* to be under a free license)?

which drumkits do you get by using the feed URL but not having
hydrogen-drumkits installed?
is this an issue about reducing downloaded data/disk space?

>> why is the upstream URL being removed from the source-code? (rather 
>> than just *adding* the only-free URL and making it the default?)
> 
> URL is replaced (not removed) because it contains non-free items.

well, yes; my point was that the upstream URL is no longer there.

> 
> Sorry, I thought that was obvious: That is the very bug being addressed.

i concur that it is a bug for a free software to allow users to fetch
data from non-free sources.

i'm with you that we should offer free data as the forst choice.
i don't know why we should hide away the fact that there *is* non-free
data which might.

there's a slight difference between "offer only free dumkits by default"
(which is the changelog entry for the patch) and "pretend that there are
only free drumkits".


>> this is actively taking away the freedom-of-choice from our users, and 
>> thus harmful.
> 
> Our users have the freedom to add additional feed URLs, same as they can 
> add non-free sources to their APT configuration.  I fail to see how 
> non-free stuff being opt-in is removal of freedoms.

sure.
users also have the freedom to just run 'apt-get source hydrogen; cd
hydrogen-*; sed -e '/^2001/d' -i debian/patches; dpkg-buildpackge
-rfakeroot'

but in practice: how are they supposed to even know that there are
non-free sources available?
all documentation (that i could find) silently assumes that the user
will be able to install the "official Hydrogen drumkits" from within the
application by clicking "Update List" in the "Import Library" section.


>> i would suggest to:
>> - undo the fix for #876096
>> - have hydrogen-drumkits only include non-disputed drumkits (which i
>> think are *much* more than the 2 kits provided by the current feed)
> 
> I am currently working on setting up a service addons.debian.net 
> offering a automatically curated feed, subscribing to one or more 
> upstream feeds and stripping non-free and unlicensed items.

this is great.

but afaict this is only a replacement for the freepats list; it doesn't
address the issue i'm having.

fgmsdr
IOhannes