[Pkg-puppet-devel] ruby.1.8.7 p 249 problems...

[micah anderson]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:30:24 -0800, Nigel Kersten <nigel at explanatorygap.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:13 AM, micah anderson <micah at riseup.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:58:55 -0800, Nigel Kersten <nigel at explanatorygap.net> wrote:
> >> We started seeing this on the Ubuntu Lucid Alphas, and I'm just
> >> redoing my debian unstable install now to check.
> >>
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby1.8/+bug/520715
> >>
> >> Are those of you with debian unstable seeing similar issues as well?
> >
> > Thanks for sending this along. I haven't seen this hang yet, but it
> > seems to be only produced in a very specific case that the original
> > submitter hasn't specified yet.
> >
> > On a side note, the bug log led me to
> > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-puppet-integration
> > which was interesting, (if somewhat incomprehensible). In particular,
> > this part made my eyebrows raise:
> >
> >> Google's use helped puppet to scale. Took over Debian maintainance to
> >> push it faster to Ubuntu.
> >
> > A lot of this page seems like heresy and anecdotal, and I'm not sure how
> > the page was generated, but this 'took over' language is curious and I
> > wonder where it comes from.
> 
> That looks to me to be a summary of a UDS session Andy was at for
> Karmic in Barcelona.  It's not a rigorous design document, it's a
> summary of a conversation.
> 
> I'm sure I can speak for Andy as well here when I say that he and I as
> the Google contingent here don't consider that we "took over" Debian
> maintenance in Puppet at all.  We got involved after we noticed
> upstream lagging a bit and it looked like more people were needed.
> That's all.

Thanks for the reply! I didn't mean to imply that you all, as the
"Google contingent", were the ones who made that comment. I figured that
the somewhat difficult to parse and haphazard nature of that document
was due to people trying to summarize or take notes from a meeting and I
am quite familiar with note-taking having significant transcription
problems. It just struck me as an odd comment in a strategy session and
thought it was a particularly bad way to approach
collaboration. Typically when something like this is said, it stems from
a misunderstanding and it is better to correct that.

> I feel like we have a supportive and friendly collaborative
> environment going on in pkg-puppet-devel, and I like it a lot.

Yeah, me too! I'm on a number of teams, and this is the best one. I
really appreciate that you all got involved (and are actually doing
things). 

I actually originally only agreed to join the team if other people were
going to be active in it, as I was not interested in being the sole
maintainer of puppet. But found that after I joined I was the only one
active, that was a bit discouraging. However I figured with a little
persistence, the team would rebuild itself and I just needed to keep
things going until then.

> I absolutely got involved with this group because I initially only
> really cared about Puppet in Ubuntu.
> 
> Andy can probably attest that as this group has progressed I've become
> much more interested in the inner workings of Debian itself outside of
> Puppet, and am hoping to get more involved with some other projects
> and aim towards DD this year.

That is cool. I actually like how the Ubuntu/Debian setup allows for
different depths of contribution, for those who wish to dive deeper
there is the possibility.

> I think this is a good thing and demonstrates a healthy side of the
> Debian/Ubuntu relationship.

I agree, and this is why I thought it might be worth bringing this up
discuss how it got presented that way. The Debian/Ubuntu relationship,
while it has been strained at times, can be a healthy collaboration for
everyone. I find that when comments, such as this one, are brought up
(on either the Debian or the Ubuntu "side"), they need to be called-out
and dealt with so that they aren't some festering persistent resentment
that results in an unhealthy situation caused by a misunderstanding. 

Thanks for your response!
micah
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