[DRE-maint] Bug#448639: Taking this to the CTTE?

Tollef Fog Heen tfheen at err.no
Mon Aug 30 17:59:59 UTC 2010


]] Lucas Nussbaum 

| On 28/08/10 at 21:31 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > Hi Daigo,
| > 
| > using /var/lib/gems is really quite annoying, and I have meant to write
| > something along the lines of what Clint Byrum wrote a few messages ago.
| > Sure, using /usr/local isn't ideal, but that's a choice that's up to the
| > local system administrator; what you're effectively doing is just
| > forcing people to jump through a hoop and having to add
| > /var/lib/gems/bin to the default path, which is really quite silly.  The
| > lack of consistency with what CPAN does is also annoying as we're making
| > a distribution, not just packaging a bunch of software.
| > 
| > So, please, please change this.  If you don't want to change this, I'll
| > take this to the CTTE so they can rule on this.
| 
| While I support the idea of using /usr/local (I even submitted this bug
| back in 2007), I find it incredible that you threaten to take this to
| the TC.

Threaten?  It's the place to take technical arguments that can't be
resolved by discussion, and this has been a long-standing argument with
little movement on either side.

| There has been basically no activity on this bug between december 2007
| and now. On August 26th, a Canonical employee restarts that discussion,
| and two days later, another Canonical employee threatens to take it to
| the TC?  Come on! Can't we have at least one week of peaceful discussion
| before you light up the flames?

I left Canonical years ago, and I don't see why somebody's employment
would be relevant at all.  I'm, as you can see, writing from my personal
email address.

| Also, I don't see anything in the bug report about the way you expect
| the transition from /var/lib to /usr/local to happen. It would be great
| to investigate this and propose something in the form of a patch if this
| issue has suddenly become so urgent for you.

That is an implementation detail, and assuming we can agree on moving to
/usr/local, I'm sure deciding on how the transition should work is
doable.  It's pointless to start writing patches before there's
agreement what needs to be changed how.

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Tollef Fog Heen
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