Heads up: removing OpenSER from Debian

[Daniel-Constantin Mierla]

Hello,

On 04/29/2009 07:58 PM, Bogdan-Andrei Iancu wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> With respect to the purpose of this list, I consider it is out of 
> topic to re-start the old OpenSER/OpenSIPS/kamailio story. There are 
> too many delicate things to be consider here, and IMHO only the future 
> (read years) will may sort this out.
>
> The OpenSER project was started by Voice System company

I agree that makes no sense to restart the story, but you should 
rephrase and tell the true. Remember who was behind Voice Sistem SRL 
when openser started. You know that one of the owners at that moment was 
all the time (and he still is one of the most important developers, if 
not the most) with SER, never been with OpenSER. On the other hand, one 
of the three that started openser was in no relation with Voice Sistem 
SRL. I created the project on source forge, the application it is 
defined by its source code that is still in the same place from day one:
http://openser.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openser/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openser

> and the OpenSER project got where it got thanks to the man-power and 
> financial effort of this company.

The two-men company contribution is far less than the contribution of 
the community. It is opposite, company grew due to the project, there 
was no investment from the share holders or other parties prior the 
project or for starting the project.

> So, VS is the one to be entitle as "father" of the project and 
> credited with the "ownership" of the project.

This is nothing but entirely false. Voice Sistem SRL was the umbrella 
for the commercial activity of two people that worked in this project. 
By level of contribution you can discover that is quite low comparing 
with old SER codebase plus others contributions.

> Maybe some people agreed to rename OpenSER to Kamailio,

And you were one of them. Hope you remember the email you sent to the 
board of the project on July 28, 2008.

> maybe other (including Voice System)

Voice Sistem SRL never agreed to rename. I am still owning 50% of it at 
this time (as I did it from the end of 2005, which is after openser was 
started -- Information about limited companies (SRL) is open for anyone 
in Romania, therefore can be self-checked) and never had such decision 
to rename to opensips. You couldn't do a decision alone with the other 
50%, so this is pure fantasy.

By hijacking the domain name and use it for announcements, one may fool 
some people but makes actions look pathetic. The true facts can be 
discovered later.

> renamed it as OpenSIPS (check www.openser.org btw).

Others can check the www.openser-project.org, www.openser.net or 
www.openser.com. Same name, but maybe not same thing. The new domain, 
opensips.org is registered by private person, not by a company, as 
opposite to openser.org.

OpenSER project is in the same place since 2005, with whole development 
history, and now it compiles to kamailio:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openser

Be honest and say you decided to do a fork, you believe in it and work 
to do things better. It is open source and anyone is entitled to do 
forks from any other OS  application. It will help more your project 
than trying to spread lies, which could look as short time win, but 
definitely not long time. Apart of three developers that left Kamailio 
after the opensips fork, the old team is still with the project, plus 
new developers in the past months. Some highlights:
http://miconda.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/kamailio-devel-team/

The development continued in even more accelerated way after the fork, 
with brand new functionalities:
http://www.kamailio.org/mos/view/Kamailio-OpenSER-v1.5.0-Release-Notes

That's from my side and hope made things more clear in regard with the 
past. Now it's time to focus on future.

Special thanks to Julien that in the past spent lot of his time to make 
Debian integration and helped a lot to spread and improve the project.

Cheers,
Daniel

>
> So, my suggestion is to drop the topic, especially that the judgement 
> for it is not a matter of the package maintainers.
>
> In respect to the involved projects and people, I suggest (from Debian 
> maintaining point of view) a very neutral approach: drop OpenSER 
> packages with no migration (end of line) and add as new packages both 
> OpenSIPS and Kamailio (of course if there is somebody willing to 
> maintain them).
>
> just my 2cents in trying to move on with this in a decent way.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Bogdan
>
> Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> Philipp Kempgen <philipp.kempgen at amooma.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  
>>> Should one of the alternatives "win" in Debian? Which one?
>>>     
>>
>> It's a no-brainer: OpenSER was renamed to Kamailio. EOT.
>>
>> OpenSIPS would be a natural second choice if nobody was willing to
>> package Kamailio.
>>
>> JB.
>>
>>   
>
>
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