[sane-devel] SANE; scanning with LIDE series works under Win, NOT under Lx

klaverg gerard.klaver at xs4all.nl
Mon Jun 22 20:05:22 UTC 2015


Hi Cedric,

Also check the .sane directory (/home/<user>/

If needed remove the .xsane directory, with start of xsane new directory
will me made

If sane frontends is installed, check xscanimage for scanning.

Regards,

Gerard



Stijn Verholen schreef op 2015-06-22 08:33:
> Hi Cedric,
> 
> For someone who claimed not to be a techie 2 days ago, you're doing
> remarkably well.
> 
> - ICM Profile: http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=10200.0
> 
> On linux, debug and log files are usually sent to /var/log. There's no
> fixed sane debug or log file as far as I know.
> Try this from a terminal:
> $ SANE_DEBUG_SANEI_USB=80 xsane
> 
> Greetz,
> 
> Stijn
> 
> On 22-06-15 00:33, "Cedric Bhihe (毕生泰)" wrote:
> 
>> Thanks a lot  Stijn and Allan ! I made "some" progress.
>> 
>> Here goes:
>> Background:
>> sane and libsane version 1.0.23 on Ubuntu 14.04.2
>> scanner Canon LIDE25 works under Windows  but not Linux
>> scanimage functions perfectly with scanner in identical
>> conditions under Lx.
>> 
>> It turns out that just like for this post [1] on askubuntu.com, I am
>> running 'tlp' for power saving optimization. I applied the post's
>> author's  solution by tweaking the 'tlp' config file, so that USB
>> autodisable would not affect my LIDE25 (0x04a9:0x2220).
>> After applying the change to the tlp config file, I checked it from
>> terminal:
>> 
>> $ cat -n /etc/default/tlp | egrep USB_BLACKLIST
>> 173    #USB_BLACKLIST="1111:2222 3333:4444"
>> 178    USB_BLACKLIST="04a9:2220"
>> 187    USB_BLACKLIST_WWAN=1
>> 
>> Result:
>> 'simplescan' now works for the first time in 2 months or so (though
>> it seems awfully slow to me).
>> 'xsane' (the frontend I favor) gives me:
>> "Error during CMS conversion: could not open scanner ICM profile."
>> The above error message appears when I launch 'xscan', when I try to
>> change any setting and when the scan is over.
>> Trying to scan, the scanner goes through all the moves at a normal
>> speed) but scan everything blank.
>> 
>> So I tried four things:
>> 
>> 1) Following another post [2], I created the new rule:
>> $ sudo vi  /etc/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules
>> ATTRS{idVendor}== "04a9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2220",
>> ENV(libsane_matched)="yes"
>> $ sudo chmod 644 /etc/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules
>> 
>> 'simplescan' 's behavior is unchanged. It scans in mode gray, color.
>> All good.
>> Relaunching 'xsane' I did NOT get any more error messages. However,
>> although 'xsane' launched and allows the scanner to do previews and
>> scans without complaining, EVERY preview or scan comes out blank,
>> even after reboot.
>> 
>> 2) I set my debug log level to 80 (don't really know what level
>> between 1 and 128 I should use here)
>> $ SANE_DEBUG_SANEI_USB=80
>> $ export SANE_DEBUG_SANEI_USB
>> 
>> However I know neither where log files are located, nor how I should
>> post them for review.
>> Perhaps s.o. can help me with hints on that.
>> 
>> 3) I edited the sane.d genesys.conf file to include a reference to
>> Canon LiDE 25
>> & sudo vi /etc/sane.d/genesys.conf
>> # Canon LiDE 25
>> usb 0x04a9 0x2220
>> 
>> 4) Following Allan's suggestion I checked whether my bios/kernel
>> relies on
>> 
>> xhci_hcd
>> 
>> It does not, apparently. It seems to rely on 'ehci-pci' as seen from
>> the command
>> 
>> $ dmsg | tail
>> 
>> ran upon plugging my LiDE 25 scanner onto the 7-1 usb port.
>> 
>> [18745.520785] [UFW ALLOW] IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.35
>> DST=80.58.61.250 LEN=63 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=46082 DF
>> PROTO=UDP SPT=23968 DPT=53 LEN=43
>> [18746.216192] usb 2-3.1.2: reset full-speed USB device number 7
>> using ehci-pci
>> [18749.032184] usb 2-3.1.2: reset full-speed USB device number 7
>> using ehci-pci
>> [18750.932308] usb 7-1: USB disconnect, device number 11
>> [18752.104222] usb 2-3.1.2: reset full-speed USB device number 7
>> using ehci-pci
>> [18753.264146] usb 7-1: new full-speed USB device number 12 using
>> uhci_hcd
>> [18753.433128] usb 7-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04a9,
>> idProduct=2220
>> [18753.433140] usb 7-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
>> SerialNumber=0
>> [18753.433148] usb 7-1: Product: CanoScan
>> [18753.433154] usb 7-1: Manufacturer: Canon
>> 
>> I believe I do not have any USB3 issue. I simply do not have USB3
>> ports, just two USB1.1 and two USB2 ports.
>> 
>> Nevertheless knowing that power management is also effected at
>> kernel level, via the usbcore.autosupend parameter and  I did:
>> 
>> $ modprobe usbcore autosuspend=-1
>> 
>> That did not have any benefical effect and I reversed the action:
>> 
>> $ modprobe usbcore autosuspend=2
>> 
>> Can somebody further suggest something ?
>> Also I need help with the debug log files. Where are they located
>> and how do I post them ?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> CÉDRIC
>> _GMT+1_
>> -------------------------
>> 
>> On 21/06/15 02:38, sane-devel-request at lists.alioth.debian.org wrote:
>> 
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>> 1. Re: SANE; scanning with LIDE series works under Win, NOT
>> under Lx (Stijn Verholen)
>> 2. Re: SANE; scanning with LIDE series works under Win, NOT
>> under Lx (m. allan noah)
>> 
>> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:49:53 +0200
>> From: Stijn Verholen <sverholen at gmail.com>
>> To: sane-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: [sane-devel] SANE; scanning with LIDE series works
>> under
>> Win, NOT under Lx
>> Message-ID: <5585EE11.3050102 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>> 
>> Dear Cedric,
>> 
>> Please take into consideration that I am not a SANE expert, nor a
>> Canon
>> LIDE expert.
>> 
>> SANE is a modular structure. The dirty under-the-hood work that
>> scanner
>> drivers do to get a scanner working, is abstracted away to "SANE
>> drivers" (i.e. backends).
>> Everything else is built on top of those sane backends, through a
>> very
>> simple API layer.
>> 
>> If scanimage from a terminal works for your scanner, then your
>> scanner
>> works with SANE.
>> Your problem is not scanner related.
>> 
>> Google is your friend.
>> Have you tried these:
>> 
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/599694/scanimage-works-but-xsane-or-any-other-ui-does-not
>> Or the more commented:
>> 
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191777/scanimage-works-but-xsane-or-any-other-ui-does-not
>> 
>> Both refer to a problem with the way linux handles USB. This has
>> indeed
>> changed a few times over the years, causing un-linux like situations
>> 
>> where something works one time, and then stops working (e.g. after
>> an
>> update).
>> 
>> The reason you are not getting a response from this list, is
>> probably
>> that your problem is not SANE-related.
>> You may not be a techie now, but you'll get sucked into it sooner or
>> 
>> later. Use Google.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Stijn
>> 
>> On 20-06-15 21:00, "Cedric Bhihe (???)" wrote:
>> 
>> A good day to everybody.
>> 
>> I keep reading about flatbed scanners from Canon (in particular of
>> the
>> LIDE
>> series) not working when USB-plugged in under Linux but working fine
>> under
>> Windows. I have exactly the same problem with a LIDE 25 and an HP
>> 4400c
>> scanner.
>> 
>> Yes, both scanners are old but they are in excellent condition,
>> (very low
>> mileage + many years forgotten somewhere in their original
>> packing).?
>> Both
>> work flawlessly under legacy Windows XP as well as under Win 7 on
>> different
>> machines, including one that runs a dual Lx/Win boot.
>> 
>> As far as 'sane' front-ends go, I downloaded and installed two from
>> the Ubuntu
>> Software Center and tried them repeatedly.
>> - simple scan 3.12.1
>> - xsane 0.998 whose author I even contacted, Oliver Rauch, hoping
>> for
>> pointers.
>> Unfortunately I got no answer.
>> 
>> Nothing seems to work under Linux with a 'sane' based gui for those
>> two scanners,
>> BUT:
>> -1- it was not always the case. Up until about 8-10 weeks ago, xsane
>> 
>> used to work
>> flawlessly for me. Nothing in my system (hard and soft) changed
>> since
>> then,
>> apart from regular stable and security related updates as provided
>> by
>> Canonical.
>> -2- I can scan w/o an itch from my Ubuntu terminal using
>> 'scanimage'.
>> I do that
>> on a daily basis with no errors.
>> 
>> I already wrote about that here, about 40 days ago, and got a
>> resounding silence
>> ? for an answer. No idea why.
>> 
>> Anyway I believe this is completely unrelated to the USB3 issue that
>> 
>> is now widely
>> publicized. This probably has to do with some change in the kernel
>> AND
>> the way
>> the two afore mentionned 'sane' based gui packages handle
>> communication with
>> the scanner or the daemon that handles USB comm. or some' else.
>> Something happened about 8 to 10 weeks go and I don't know what it
>> is.
>> 
>> Since I am no techie, I am stuck, but at least 'scanimage' on
>> terminal
>> works.
>> The downside with scanimage is despite all available options
>> - no preview is available (pre-processing),
>> - no collating batch (multi-page) scans (post-processing) is
>> possible,
>> - there is no saving scans directly as pdf (post-processing).
>> 
>> -ced
>> 
>> Ubuntu 14.04.2 v3.16.0-41-generic x86_64
>> on Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9300 @ 2.50GHz
>> Motherboard 30C5 Version KBC v.71.36 by HP
>> BIOS HP version: 68MVD Ver. F.15 (2008.02.12)
>> 
>> ?
>> 
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>> 1. Re: Canon LIDE 110 + USB3 (Marc Cousin)
>> 
>> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:57:03 +0200
>> From: Marc Cousin<cousinmarc at gmail.com>
>> To: Heinz Wiesinger<HMWiesinger at liwjatan.at>
>> Cc:sane-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: [sane-devel] Canon LIDE 110 + USB3
>> Message-ID: <478249274.zdL7Kf9XdV at marco>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> On Thursday 30 April 2015 13:15:17 Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/04/2015 18:46, Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/04/2015 18:27, Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/04/2015 12:35, Heinz Wiesinger wrote:
>> 
>> On Saturday 18 April 2015 10:58:31 Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've got a brand new computer with USB3 all over the place, and
>> cannot
>> use my "old" LIDE 110 with it, even with a git version. The scanner
>> is
>> still working, as it works when connecter to my older laptop,
>> through
>> USB2. It doesn't work with a git checkout from a few minutes ago.
>> 
>> I see that some drivers have received some patches to work around
>> problems with USB 3. Is there something to be done to the genesys
>> driver
>> too ? What can I provide to help solving this ?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have the same problem with the LIDE 210. In a message from last
>> month, Stef
>> asked for usbpcap log from windows (see
>> 
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2015-March/033202.ht
>> ml
>> 
>> for details). Unfortunately I don't have access to a Windows
>> 
>> computer having
>> USB3 ports. So if you have and you could provide those logs, it
>> might
>> help in
>> figuring out what's going wrong.
>> 
>> Grs,
>> Heinz
> 
> I have no windows installed. I have one in a KVM box, should I give it
> a
> try ?
> 
> I gave it a try, in the KVM windows, scanning works. It is seen as
> USB2
> from windows though, I don't know if this is of any importance.
> 
> So,
> 
> Is this dump (from a virtulized windows seeing USB2) interesting ?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm back on this, after a while away from home. Is there anything I
> can
> provide ?
> 
> To sum up:
> 
> - The LIDE110 doesn't work from SANE (git checkout from 10 minutes
> ago) +
> Linux (4.0.5): I only have problem with the scanner. Any other
> periphal I
> plugged in worked ok (mouse, usb card reader, usb disk drive,
> keyboard)?
> - It works in Win7, virtualized in KVM, using the exact same USB3 port
> (seen
> as USB2 from Windows)
> - It almost works when all debug traces are activated in SANE (it
> fails much
> later)
> 
> I am willing to capture anything you want, just tell me (and give me
> pointers
> to how to do the requested captures). I could even (but as a last
> resort, as I
> don't have space for it right now) install a Win7 on this machine.
> 
> Regards
> 
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> From: "m. allan noah" <kitno455 at gmail.com>
> To: Cedric Bhihe (???) <cedric.bhihe at gmail.com>
> Cc: sane-devel <sane-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: [sane-devel] SANE; scanning with LIDE series works under
>     Win, NOT under Lx
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> Cedric- I'm sorry you did not receive a reply earlier, the SANE
> project is somewhat short handed. In this case, you need to
> investigate what changed in your system around the time the scanner
> stopped working. Figure out what packages were updated by the OS, and
> see if you can downgrade temporarily.
> 
> Another thing to investigate is if your system is using the xhci_hcd
> module to control your USB ports. If not, we can probably rule out USB
> problems.
> 
> After that, we would need to get logs of debugging info from the sane
> backend, when it is called by scanimage and when called by xsane.
> Perhaps we will be able to see some difference.
> 
> allan
> 
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 3:00 PM, "Cedric Bhihe (???)"
> <cedric.bhihe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A good day to everybody.
>> 
>> I keep reading about flatbed scanners from Canon (in particular of
>> the LIDE
>> series) not working when USB-plugged in under Linux but working fine
>> under
>> Windows. I have exactly the same problem with a LIDE 25 and an HP
>> 4400c
>> scanner.
>> 
>> Yes, both scanners are old but they are in excellent condition,
>> (very low
>> mileage + many years forgotten somewhere in their original
>> packing).?  Both
>> work flawlessly under legacy Windows XP as well as under Win 7 on
>> different
>> machines, including one that runs a dual Lx/Win boot.
>> 
>> As far as 'sane' front-ends go, I downloaded and installed two from
>> the
>> Ubuntu
>> Software Center and tried them repeatedly.
>> - simple scan 3.12.1
>> - xsane 0.998 whose author I even contacted, Oliver Rauch, hoping
>> for
>> pointers.
>> Unfortunately I got no answer.
>> 
>> Nothing seems to work under Linux with a 'sane' based gui for those
>> two
>> scanners,
>> BUT:
>> -1- it was not always the case. Up until about 8-10 weeks ago, xsane
>> used to
>> work
>> flawlessly for me. Nothing in my system (hard and soft) changed
>> since then,
>> apart from regular stable and security related updates as provided
>> by
>> Canonical.
>> -2- I can scan w/o an itch from my Ubuntu terminal using
>> 'scanimage'. I do
>> that
>> on a daily basis with no errors.
>> 
>> I already wrote about that here, about 40 days ago, and got a
>> resounding
>> silence
>> ? for an answer. No idea why.
>> 
>> Anyway I believe this is completely unrelated to the USB3 issue that
>> is now
>> widely
>> publicized. This probably has to do with some change in the kernel
>> AND the
>> way
>> the two afore mentionned 'sane' based gui packages handle
>> communication with
>> the scanner or the daemon that handles USB comm. or some' else.
>> Something happened about 8 to 10 weeks go and I don't know what it
>> is.
>> 
>> Since I am no techie, I am stuck, but at least 'scanimage' on
>> terminal
>> works.
>> The downside with scanimage is despite all available options
>> - no preview is available (pre-processing),
>> - no collating batch (multi-page) scans (post-processing) is
>> possible,
>> - there is no saving scans directly as pdf (post-processing).
>> 
>> -ced
>> 
>> Ubuntu 14.04.2 v3.16.0-41-generic x86_64
>> on Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9300 @ 2.50GHz
>> Motherboard 30C5 Version KBC v.71.36 by HP
>> BIOS HP version: 68MVD Ver. F.15 (2008.02.12)
>> 
>> ?
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>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of sane-devel digest..."
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>> 1. Re: Canon LIDE 110 + USB3 (Marc Cousin)
>> 
>> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:57:03 +0200
>> From: Marc Cousin <cousinmarc at gmail.com>
>> To: Heinz Wiesinger <HMWiesinger at liwjatan.at>
>> Cc: sane-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: [sane-devel] Canon LIDE 110 + USB3
>> Message-ID: <478249274.zdL7Kf9XdV at marco>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> On Thursday 30 April 2015 13:15:17 Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/04/2015 18:46, Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/04/2015 18:27, Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/04/2015 12:35, Heinz Wiesinger wrote:
>> 
>> On Saturday 18 April 2015 10:58:31 Marc Cousin wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've got a brand new computer with USB3 all over the place, and
>> cannot
>> use my "old" LIDE 110 with it, even with a git version. The scanner
>> is
>> still working, as it works when connecter to my older laptop,
>> through
>> USB2. It doesn't work with a git checkout from a few minutes ago.
>> 
>> I see that some drivers have received some patches to work around
>> problems with USB 3. Is there something to be done to the genesys
>> driver
>> too ? What can I provide to help solving this ?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have the same problem with the LIDE 210. In a message from last
>> month, Stef
>> asked for usbpcap log from windows (see
>> 
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2015-March/033202.ht
>> ml
>> 
>> for details). Unfortunately I don't have access to a Windows
>> 
>> computer having
>> USB3 ports. So if you have and you could provide those logs, it
>> might
>> help in
>> figuring out what's going wrong.
>> 
>> Grs,
>> Heinz
>> 
>> I have no windows installed. I have one in a KVM box, should I give
>> it a
>> try ?
>> 
>> I gave it a try, in the KVM windows, scanning works. It is seen as
>> USB2
>> from windows though, I don't know if this is of any importance.
>> 
>> So,
>> 
>> Is this dump (from a virtulized windows seeing USB2) interesting ?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm back on this, after a while away from home. Is there anything I
>> can
>> provide ?
>> 
>> To sum up:
>> 
>> - The LIDE110 doesn't work from SANE (git checkout from 10 minutes
>> ago) +
>> Linux (4.0.5): I only have problem with the scanner. Any other
>> periphal I
>> plugged in worked ok (mouse, usb card reader, usb disk drive,
>> keyboard)?
>> - It works in Win7, virtualized in KVM, using the exact same USB3
>> port (seen
>> as USB2 from Windows)
>> - It almost works when all debug traces are activated in SANE (it
>> fails much
>> later)
>> 
>> I am willing to capture anything you want, just tell me (and give me
>> pointers
>> to how to do the requested captures). I could even (but as a last
>> resort, as
>> I
>> don't have space for it right now) install a Win7 on this machine.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
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