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    <p>I'm afraid I don't have any useful knowledge on this subject, so
      very happy that someone is thinking about it.</p>
    <p>Paul Newall <br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/01/18 16:56, Jörn-Ingo Weigert
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">It's ok with me, having a well known and used
        interface for pull/merge requests and on top support for mobile
        in either web and app form, I do really appreciate. So let's go
        to <a href="http://girls.com" moz-do-not-send="true">girls.com</a>!
        *Backpack shouldered*</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Am 26.01.2018 9:59 vorm. schrieb "Olaf
          Meeuwissen" <<a href="mailto:paddy-hack@member.fsf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">paddy-hack@member.fsf.org</a>>:<br
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          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br>
            <br>
            TL;DR :: Let's move to GitLab.com!  Mailing list TBD.<br>
            <br>
            # Apologies for the belated follow-up.  I planned to wait a
            week or so<br>
            # to let the dust settle before following up but then Real
            Life got in<br>
            # the way :-(<br>
            <br>
            Now for the long story,<br>
            <br>
            On 2018-01-08, Olaf Meeuwissen (that's me!) wrote:<br>
            <br>
            > [ ... Alioth will be discontinued sometime in 2018-05
            ... so]<br>
            > the SANE Project will no longer be able to:<br>
            ><br>
            >  - communicate via the mailing lists<br>
            >  - push commits to its official git repositories<br>
            >  - update the bug and feature requests trackers<br>
            >  - update its website<br>
            ><br>
            > So we have to move some place else for our project
            hosting but where?<br>
            <br>
            I made a couple of suggestions and asked for feedback. 
            Apart from one<br>
            off-list request to join the SANE project on GitLab.com, not
            one of the<br>
            SANE developers has chimed in.  I will take that to mean
            that everyone<br>
            will be fine with whatever gets chosen in the end.  Speak up
            if that's<br>
            not the case!<br>
            <br>
            The non-developers that did follow up mentioned[1]
            Sourceforge as a<br>
            possibility (and questioned[2] whether that was serious),
            offered help<br>
            with moving the mailing list to Debian infra-structure[1]
            (thanks,<br>
            btw!) and a preference for GitHub[3][4].<br>
            <br>
            There was also a fairly detailed account[5] of the pros and
            cons of<br>
            GitLab vs. GitHub as well as an offer to host mailing
            lists[6].<br>
            Finally, there was a hint on how to get release
            notifications from<br>
            GitHub using an RSS feed[7].<br>
            <br>
            There was the notion that GitLab/GitHub issues and
            merge/pull requests<br>
            could meaningfully replace a large part of the mailing
            lists[3][5], yet<br>
            having mailing lists (archives) around would be nice. 
            Several people<br>
            also pointed out that moving[4][5] and/or mirroring[3] git
            repositories<br>
            elsewhere would be easy and that GitHub Pages have their
            "quirks"[5].<br>
            Finally, the fact that GitLab.com supports logging in via
            GitHub,<br>
            Google, Twitter and BitBucket accounts was pointed out as a
            pro[5].<br>
            Neither GitHub nor the Debian GitLab instance provide this
            (although the<br>
            latter could, in theory).<br>
            <br>
             [1]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035897.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035897.html</a><br>
             [2]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035900.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035900.html</a><br>
             [3]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035911.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035911.html</a><br>
             [4]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035898.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035898.html</a><br>
             [5]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035899.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035899.html</a><br>
             [6]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035921.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035921.html</a><br>
             [7]: <a
href="https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035912.html"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.alioth.debian.<wbr>org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-<wbr>January/035912.html</a><br>
            <br>
            Taking this all in, and putting the mailing lists issue
            aside for a bit,<br>
            I still prefer moving to GitLab.com.  In terms of
            repository, issues and<br>
            merge/pull request support it offers pretty much the same as
            GitHub, but<br>
            on top of that allows you to log in using accounts users may
            have with<br>
            (selected) other services.  This, I think, lowers the
            barrier to report<br>
            issues.  Furthermore, GitLab.com comes with CI
            out-of-the-box (which is<br>
            used already by the current *unofficial* mirror, btw!).<br>
            <br>
            The idea of putting a repository mirror on GitHub is
            interesting but I'm<br>
            not sure how pull requests and issues would work out if
            things are split<br>
            over multiple sites.<br>
            <br>
            Back to mailing lists, I think that for the short term
            making use of the<br>
            Alioth mail continuation project[8] is our best alternative,
            although I<br>
            am not exactly clear on that project's status.  If I
            understand things<br>
            correctly the current list maintainer will be asked to opt
            in before<br>
            Alioth is discontinued.<br>
            <br>
            I have also considered moving to <a
              href="http://lists.debian.org" rel="noreferrer"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists.debian.org</a>
            but in that case we<br>
            probably won't be able to make the list subscriber-only or
            moderate<br>
            incoming posts[9][10].<br>
            <br>
             [8]: <a
              href="https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.debian.org/<wbr>Alioth/MailingListContinuation</a><br>
             [9]: <a
              href="https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth#Mailing_lists"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.debian.org/<wbr>Alioth#Mailing_lists</a><br>
             [10]: <a
              href="https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.debian.org/<wbr>MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list</a><br>
            <br>
            In either case, sane-commit is extremely likely to disappear
            (you can<br>
            use the commit notification functionality of GitLab
            instead).  As for<br>
            sane-standard (which has seen less than 100KB gzipped
            traffic since July<br>
            2004!), I think it doesn't serve any purpose.  SANE standard
            discussions<br>
            can be held on sane-devel.  The sane-announce list sees even
            less<br>
            traffic but does serve a well-defined purpose (prevent
            announcements<br>
            from "drowning" in the other traffic) and should be migrated
            together<br>
            with sane-devel.<br>
            <br>
            Anyway, I'll check the status on [8] and look at some other
            mailing list<br>
            hosting solutions but in the mean-time, how does everyone
            feel about<br>
            moving to GitLab.com?<br>
            <br>
            Hope this helps,<br>
            --<br>
            Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2            FSF Associate Member
            since 2004-01-27<br>
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