[Showme-devel] Three things to note please

[Bernelle Verster]

Thanks Jonas

This all seems in line with what I thought too, so I'm happy with this.
I'll take this feedback back to the team.

Regards
B

On Monday, September 14, 2015, Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk> wrote:

> Hi Bernelle (and Daniel, if e.g. Bernelle forwards back...),
>
> [author of forwarded text reconstructed from seemingly its source at
> http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20150910.130505.09c8d001.en.html]
>
> Quoting Bernelle Verster (2015-09-14 10:46:44)
> > A note from the debconf-team... can you give input on this, and if
> > there are concerns (I don't understand enough to know if this is a
> > concern or not), we should brainstorm it while this is at an early
> > stage.
>
> Thanks for bringing it up!
>
>
> Quoting Daniel Lange (2015-09-10 13:05 UTC)
> > Beaker(notebook) is a product by two sigma, Kris' company.
>
> True, Beaker is developed at the company where Kris work.  Obviously
> Kris therefore has a special interest in that particular tool (e.g. his
> company might permit him to spend company time working on the project if
> their product is used), and sponsoring from that company specifically
> may be affected by whether their software is included.
>
> That said, the project is *not* tied to Beaker Notebook.  Let me quote
> the contexts at https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox with Beaker mentioned:
>
> > ShowMeBox will come loaded with the following software:
> > * Standard Debian GNU/Linux system.
> > * Web server.
> > * Web application for data analysis (such as Beaker, described below).
>
> and
>
> > Links:
> [...]
> > * http://beakernotebook.com - the Beaker notebook tool, open source
> > but not yet packaged for Debian; here is a Presentation on Beaker.
> > * https://jupyter.org/ - Jupyter is another open source notebook tool.
> [...]
>
> Our project is tied to Debian and a Notebook tool: Beaker Notebook seems
> the best FLOSS Notebook tool, but if not in Debian¹ in time for the
> contest, we may use iPython Notebook instead.
>
>
> > I'd not narrow it down to this product or type of visualization
> > software.
> > A more general "call for challenges" (to sponsors) of what cool stuff
> > to do with a cubieboard (or other sponsored hardware) looks more open
> > and less of a two sigma thing to me.
>
> Thanks, that is a valid concern and a (maybe) good suggestion.
>
> As mentioned at the wiki, we chose this style of competition to mimic an
> earlier similar competition => a potential to draw from a previous
> experience.
>
> Also, this competition raises students' attention to their own local
> community, something that resonates with me personally - a project about
> random "cool stuff" likely wouldn't have me involved.
>
>
> > Other companies could then also post their challenges (FLOSS or even
> > Debian based only) and supply (their preferred) hardware in return.
> > This way you'd get more diverse exhibits for your Information Art
> > Exhibition and can provide the sponsoring opportunity to other
> > companies as well.
>
> Our project involves composing a Debian Pure Blend for highschool data
> visualization contests, and shipping sponsored hardware for contestants.
>
> A project where sponsors would choose the topic of the contest is
> totally different.
>
> A project where sponsors shipped a Debian-ish a system they made for
> their devices (e.g. Raspbian) is a totally different project.
>
>
> > E.g. Intel could sponsor NUCs or Edisons and people could do great
> > stuff with them based on Debian and other FLOSS to fulfill the
> > challenge (e.g. to be allowed to keep the hardware and have the chance
> > to win a prize). Or HP could sponsor Slates and ask people to make
> > them innovative maths class tools.
>
> Sure, a *different* project could embrace *different* challenges than
> the ones we've embraced, like getting Debian kernel to work with Edison
> boards, or getting *any* Debian desktop to work with a touch-based
> interface like HP Slate.
>
> ...or could just be happy that some vendors wanted to sponsor stuff,
> ignoring evental incompatibilities with Debian.
>
> Sorry, I don't mean to shoot down your ideas, but they seem at best
> _parallel_ to our specific project.  And concretely they are less
> appealing to me personally to get engaged in, so please take into
> account you may need to find volunteers to organize the competition if
> shifting the scope of it.
>
>
> > As this is a sponsoring opportunity, I'd consult with Brian and the
> > sponsors team how that could fit into the overall perks available and
> > whether it means (e.g.) a minimum amount of hardware sponsored or
> > travel sponsored for the three top submissions or a financial
> > contribution to the overall budget is in order to participate in this.
>
> That one seems not for us to comment on.
>
>
> Thanks for the critical input,
>
>  - Jonas
>
> ¹ By "in Debian" I mean packaged officially and accepted by ftpmaster
> ing Debian at least unstable, from where we will likely backport to
> testing or stable for the competition.
>
> --
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