OT - Re: [Utnubu-discuss] porting pyalsaaudio from Utnubu
Floris Bruynooghe
fb102 at soton.ac.uk
Sat Nov 19 14:02:42 UTC 2005
On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 12:27:31AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 11:03:37AM +0000, Floris Bruynooghe wrote:
> > Sure, don't blame volunteers for not doing their work. I've got some
> > work too that I haven't done for ages. But I can't help to notice
> > some points:
> >
> > a. The package was in Ubuntu universe you said, so it shouldn't have
> > been her/his job to work on it afaik.
>
> I don't understand what you mean.
As I understood it the Ubuntu maintainer was employed to work on
Ubuntu (and I was assuming -maybe wrongly- by Canonical). So I
thought they where only working on main, not universe. I realise now
that I maybe was assuming too much.
> Do you mean it is not their job to
> maintain it in Debian? Yes that's true, there is no automatic
> expectation that a Debian developer contributing to Ubuntu will
> contribute those same packages to Debian.
>
> However it would be useful and welcome of course.
Good point, never thought about this one before. Personally I was
expecting that of a Debian developer, but I guess you're right. But I
can't help to regret it (and hence think some of the Debian-Ubuntu
relation is not ideal).
> > b. Is this an indication that the Ubuntu development is not working
> > properly? What I mean is that Ubuntu pulls unstable from Debian
> > normally, so I would expect the way to get something in Ubuntu is
> > to get it in Debian. Only with the exception of some very specific
> > things that Ubuntu want's to move on with. Thus it would be
> > beneficial for Ubuntu developers to work on Debian. However if the
> > Ubuntu model discourages the maintaining of the packages in Debian
> > I think there must be something wrong, or maybe Ubuntu isn't as
> > beneficial to Debian as was hoped it would be.
>
> I think ideally everything would go through Debian first. This probably
> isn't realistic as Ubuntu has their own goals and release schedule which
> they need to be responsible for, rather than depending on volunteer
> Debian maintainers.
That's what I was trying to express, hence the "some very specific
things.." rare cases sentence.
> Now, as for packages which do exist only in Ubuntu.. is it a good idea
> to port those wholesale to Debian (as we might do in the name of
> Utnubu)? Or would it be better if those packages had maintainers
> directly in Debian, who might start with the Ubuntu package and then
> perhaps evolve from there?
If the second doesn't happen it's Utnubu's attempt to do the first as
I understood (and I'd love to help but it doesn't look like this real
life is going to let me this academic year).
Floris
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