[Pkg-mc-devel] launchpad noise?

[Dmitry Smirnov]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:46:45 Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
> > And they should have been properly forwarded using bug tracker.
> >  ...
> > And yet we're not using the proper channel for such information.
> > This can hardly excuse not using bug tracker.
> 
> In a perfect world: maybe.
> 
> The reality is that this was not happening, is not happening, and is not
> going to happen anytime soon. Just as not much people care about
> forwarding Debian bugs upstream, for which reason BTS looks the way it
> does.

I'm not saying we should be using BTS exclusively.
I welcome *human* communication in any form and I consider CC to this list is 
perfectly appropriate when necessary.
 

> I get it that you don't care about bugs in Ubuntu and want them to
> forward things that are relevant to Debian manually (even though most of
> them are) and would rather miss genuine bug reports which are never
> going to be forwarded to Debian, rather than skim through possibly
> unrelated mails.

No, you got me wrong - perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

If LP flow goes here, Ubuntu people will *assume* we're checking on bugs, 
verifying if they are relevant to Debian and taking action.

And this is hurting our communication because forwarding would be more 
effective.
By forwarding I mean any form of it, either CC to this list or to BTS.

If a problem reported on Ubuntu side and forwarded here manually it will 
receive far greater attention than automated reports.

With automated reports we're exercising filtering skills while maintainer's 
emails encourage attention and collaboration.


> This is your *personal* view of the problem. Other subscribers, for
> instance, have also supported the view that in fact, it is of more help
> than a nuisance (Andreas).

Using word 'personal' in such context doesn't help. What opinion is not 
'personal'?? You can label 'personal' nearly anything and this is a poor 
tactic of discrediting the argument. This opinion as much my 'personal' one as 
it is professional.

Indeed Andreas' position is a very strong argument since his experience and 
expertise are far greater than ours.
When I first raised my question he suggested to observe if it is going to be 
useful for some time. 
So I did because this LP forwarding practice was new to me.

Now I came to conclusion that automatic forwarding in fact substituting human 
communication and therefore does more harm than good.


> Since you are the only person actively working on the package right now,
> I will remove the subscription at Launchpad for the time being, but as I
> said, I find your arguments so far unconvincing and feel that this
> decision will do more harm than good in the long run.

Thank you for this. I'm sorry that I'm lacking eloquence to express why I 
think it is better this way. We can always consider to change again later if 
circumstances suggest different approach.

Regards,
Dmitry.