[Freedombox-discuss] Rouge Freedomboxes and government intervention

[FreedomBox-Discuss.NeoPhyte_Rep at OrdinaryAmerican.net]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Neophyte Representative
<FreedomBox-Discuss.NeoPhyte_Rep at OrdinaryAmerican.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jonas Smedegaard - dr at jones.dk wrote:
>> On 11-06-22 at 04:43pm, Neophyte Representative wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Jonas Smedegaard - dr at jones.dk wrote:
>>> > So due to violent regimes killing Karlas, you suggest we do not
>>> > label a box helping Joannas making a silverlining of the cloud as
>>> > "FreedomBox"?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> I don't take The Ultimate Sacrifice lightly.  I'd MUCH prefer we have
>>> those folks alive to help make progress.
>>
>> How?  By putting not yet stable stuff into early releases of FreedomBox?
>
> I agree the ultimate extension of my logic is that only extremely
> tested, stable components should be advertised as FreedomBox
> components.  Given my understanding of The Ultimate Sacrifice, I
> believe we owe Freedom Fighters nothing less.
>
> What, Jonas, do you understand the phrase "The Ultimate Sacrifice"
> means?  Do you understand any responsibility for allowing a false
> sense of anonymity?
>

First my apology for raising the heat in this discussion without
adding to the light.  In subjects where I invest my passion, I have
found I need to avoid face-to-face communication because I cease to
think clearly.  It has been obvious to me for some time that telephone
conversations and Internet Relay Chats suffer from the same effect.  I
guess even the delays inherent in email are insufficient to keep my
thoughts well structured.

As you can see I have some fears for the some of the participants in
this enterprise.  Let me now propose a scenario that better addresses
those fears.

Make FreedomBox a brand.  We need to work on the many components that
can be used in A FreedomBox.  We need to do that in a manner that
allows thoughtful self-education about the risks and thorough testing
against well documented test packages to occur.  If, instead of a
downloadable FreedomBox image, we offer a Branding of components, we
can work on each component within the facilities of the Debian project
without making it look like a thoughtless download implements full
anonymity.

This way Joanna gets to use a Debian release with the quality
implications of such an improved product, but Karla learns there is
much to consider about using her download as a weapon in a serious
fight by following the discussions of the improvements of the Debian
components.

I think that addresses my fears and hope it adds some enlightenment to
the project.