Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies

[Dalibor Topic]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 09:19:43AM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> Le Fri 16/12/2005, Michael Koch disait
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:32:11AM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> > > Le Wed 14/12/2005, Michael Koch disait
> > > 
> > > > I would like that you check the facts before writing such words.
> > > > 
> > > > You are free not to use the Eclipse packaged by Debian but e.g. the Help
> > > > system which is a vital system for some users will not work. Other
> > > > thinks don't work either. Upstream Eclipse 3.1.1 don't works with free
> > > > java runtimes at all because of broken memory management in JDT.
> > > 
> > > It works perfectly without mozilla. It needs a browser but that's why
> > > every browser package has a Provides: www-browser, so the dependency
> > > should be on www-browser, not mozilla-browser.
> > 
> > Not all packages providing www-browser export the needed shared library
> > for the embedded browser in Eclipse, which is the default and preferred
> > way in Eclipse upstream as Billy wrote.
> >  
> > > And that doies not explain th gnome dependency, which is heavier, and
> > > tottaly inadequate and, I repeat DANGEROUS.
> > 
> > Eclipse doesn't depend on gnome, just on some libraries gnome provides.
> > Many applications do this. That is neither heavy nor totally inadequate.
> > Our goal is to make Eclipse ready-to-use after a simple
> 
> 
> 
> > 'apt-get install eclipse'
> 
> No eclipse (the software) depends on *gtk* libs. Even eclipse.org does
> not cite gnome as a requirements. *YOU* impose gnome.
>  
> > To make this happen we have to depend on some stuff that may not be
> > needed but is needed in the default configuration of Eclipse. When you
> > don't need this features, don't use them.
> > 
> > It is definitely NOT DANGEROUS. Data loss would be DANGEROUS.
> 
> Gnome IS a danger beca?use its goal is to impose a tatlly inadequate
> way of using a computer to people who do not want it. Gnome is
> contrary to the freedom of the user.

OK. I've had enough of this, please.

Since the technical side of the bug report has been excessively dealt with, 
I suggest closing it as "not a bug", since we have an Eclipse developer's 
confirmation.

As far as the non-technical side of the bug report goes, I'd suggest
that Erwin takes that discussion somewhere else. We're building a
universal operating system, and abusing the bug tracker for flamewars
does not help. Thank you.

cheers,
dalibor topic

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> Erwan David
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